This entire debate is a low IQ argument. Play what Blizzard gives you or play something else entirely… all this discussion will always end up at the same place. Both sides lose because it will start locked and eventually become unlocked. No one is happy… yay Blizzard.
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It’s in Beta. They haven’t “given” us anything yet. It’s all still being determined. I don’t think you understand the point of games being tested before being released.
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I do not think you have played enough Blizzard games in beta. What they give us there is what we end up with when it comes to systems.
Who is going crazy false flagging things as real life threats ITT?
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Believe it or not, none of these things are that common. Group leaders who do this don’t typically do well, but nothing is stopping you from running the content with someone else or queuing yourself.
No, as long as people are willing to put up with toxic jerks, toxic jerks will continue to do what they’re doing. The misunderstanding here is that you think one directly relates to and enables the other; nobody who actually plays to maximize performance for fun is willingly or unwillingly enabling toxic behavior. There have always been toxic people who find benchmarks or bits of information they then try to hold everyone else to, and that’s… just the nature of anonymity. You’re not going to get around it by restricting freedom of choice for actual pushers; you’ll just create more problems.
Gross oversimplification, to be perfectly honest. Min-maxers are not the scapegoat you’re trying to make them out to be.
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Frost probably does better for an 8 key, especially if the mage doesn’t have the gear for the fire rotation.
Not a problem… and your post explains the issue created by the subsect within the min-max community perfectly… while real min-maxers do so for their own personal reasons and keep to themselves causing no harm, a small group with a highly forceful persona creates endless problems for everyone… and I fully understand why the changes being made are coming… and whole heartedly agree with their intent… though I do wish there was a way to solve the problem without interfering with people’s play styles. Unfortunately that’s just not possible… every possible solution will inevitably interfere with one play style or another… and regrettably min-maxing is the one that has to take a hit for the most efficient solutions.
I’ve still not really had anyone explain to me how having the covenants open would negatively impact anyone’s gameplay outside of ‘peer pressure’. If you don’t wanna get pressured into switching covenants, don’t group with people that try to pressure you. Generally speaking, these are the same players that are going to have covenant restrictions on their groups regardless of whether they’re locked or unlocked, so you’re not losing many potential party-mates anyway.
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care to enlighten me how picking the best option will cause me to take a hit? the real min maxers wont even be affected at all and this whole arguement is just a weird spiteful excuse to lock covenants for no real reason. if anything casuals take the hit because they can no longer try out the other abilities after leveling and get completely screwed if they decide to pick the one with the worst tuning
It’s not. It was never the game until legion.
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This isn’t min-maxing, this is pretty much everyone that does any content other than: World quests, pet battles.
All these issues you just listed harm: People who like having alts, people who raid, people who mythic+, people who collect stuff, people who PvP.
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You think 3-4 drops for 40 people was not a hamster wheel? LOL.
Typically it is min-maxers who will want to try out every covenant and test the abilities after leveling to find which one yields the best results for their spec. Most casuals on the other hand don’t care one bit about that, we play what is fun to us, what has the most aesthetical appeal to us, what provides the story development we want, etc… many casuals are more than willing to play with the least optimal builds simply because it’s fun to them.
Actually that is a min-maxing thing… because quite frankly the game is perfectly playable without focusing on getting specific Azerite traits and essences… and “BiS” is absolutely a min-max thing…
For the record, I have a bunch of alts and none of this has any impact on me because I simply don’t care about min-maxing my characters… I play what is enjoyable to me and what works to get the job done…
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Yes, its horrible how people get forced to join to groups without their consent, while other players are then force-changing their talents for them…
People can create a group any way they want. You might call that toxic and forceful, i call it free choice. The only problem arises if there are people who feel entitled to join those groups of the presumably better players to get a free boost out of it.
If there were those masses of people who are desparate to join any group to do some dungeons, it would be the simplest thing for them to join up and run them among themselfes and starve out the “toxic forcers”. But weirdly, this doesnt happen, instead we only get those whine-posts of hundreds of people who didnt get to run with the big guys and feel like its their right to run with them.
You cant force your view point on other people, especially not if you arent the vast majority.
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While you’re not wrong, is it really bad to want to stack a specific azerite trait because of how it alters your gameplay? Say furios gaze for havoc DH. It provides crazy amounts of haste and without it the spec just feels slow and boring. Or destro lock stacking flashpoint and expedient to be able to pump up twice as many chaos bolts instead of having to cast them for 2 seconds. Or explosive potential for demo locks, which gives them a buff to maintain and changes how they use implosion, or baleful invocation which gives them 5 shards after casting demonic tyrant… i could go on and on.
While they might be BiS traits, it’s also pretty damn fun and transformative if you get them right and it feels incomplete without them. But I guess everyone who cares even slightly about how their class/spec plays and feels to them and are willing to put effort into making it feel good, they are a dirty min-maxer, a sweaty tryhard 1%er and doesn’t deserve to have fun in this game.
Mix-maxing is dealing in roughly 1-5% damage increase, what we have with traits and essences is that some just mean 20-30% more damage in long run, and if you pick all weak ones, you’ll be considerably weaker. It’s not min-maxing, it’s bad design.
That’s because the only content you do is pet battles and world quests, it does not need any sort of gear for it.
If they put in 3 overpowered battle pets, and every other was 50% weaker, you’d complain about it, no?
Try to understand that just because you don’t do some content and see the struggles with it, doesn’t mean struggles don’t exist. Just because you don’t face some issues, does not mean others don’t.
It’s borderline a rich person saying money isn’t an issue.
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Nobody needs to play the game at all. A lot of people are going to realize this, those who don’t take pleasure from knowing that other people are being prevented from playing the game the ways they’ve always like to.
So where does that leave us? As long as the current devs are in control, we will continue to lose options and suffer more restrictions. Because the overwhelming majority of players are playing the game wrong, and they need to be stopped, even if that means driving them away from the game permanently.
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Not really compared to the level of out of raid bs we need to do now it was nothing. Even then it eased up every expac basically until legion. WoD had very little required to do out of raid but it took much longer than mop because of the war on flight. M+ doesn’t need an ap system to exist it would be fine on it’s own without that and I wish blizz would learn that.
That’s not true. Removing the power or adding easy switchability wouldn’t affect the pro locked crowd. They just have to choose to stay with one. It’s 100% up to them to play exactly how they say they want to. Just like the no flying crowd could simply not fly without impacting the pro-flying crowd.
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Doing nothing and expecting the playerbase to make the right choices is not a solution, it is a pipe dream. Changes have to be made that deter certain behaviors if you expect people to actually change how they act.