Yet another XP exploit - 60s boosting low levels doesn't reduce XP

[Nagual-smolderweb]

This needs to be investigated, just the way people get so defensive about this should make this worth digging into.

[Velara-gilneas (Velara)]

If that’s the case then you’re right, it’s broken. I recall very clearly suffering a significant XP penalty for grouping with higher level players.

[Zindan-bloodsail-buccaneers]

@Nagual-smolderweb

This needs to be investigated, just the way people get so defensive about this should make this worth digging into.

I’m curious on if the values are accurate or not.

[Xanthak-durotan (Xanthak)]

@Opheliàh-moon-guard

Are you sure it’s FULL xp? Because back in Vanilla being carried through dungeons was in fact a legitimate power leveling strategy. The xp reduction wasn’t nearly as bad as it is in BFA, where you are actually completely handicapping yourself if you bring a higher level along. And unlike BC, and Wrath, the level difference between the person doing the run and the people they are running is much smaller.

Are you sure you aren’t projecting this as an exploit because you don’t have anyone to run YOU through dungeons?

Edit:

In fact I’m not even sure that xp being reduced due to a higher level being in the party even ever was a thing back in Vanilla.

It was. A high level run through soaked up all the xp. At least pre 1.6

[Reimmi-fairbanks]

Not an exploit. i remember power leveling being a thing back in vanilla and getting good EXP even with a 60 doing it

It wasn’t worthless like it is in BFA to do

[Craig-skeram]

This isnt a bug

[Notslice-whitemane]

Bump, i would like a blue post

[Rekujin-nagrand]

What? I used to run my mates through SM Cath all the time, it was great exp for them, pretty sure this was normal in vanilla…

[Fourleaf-bloodsail-buccaneers]

That experience you are calculating is SPLIT between 5 people. You have absolutley no clue what you are talking about. GUESSING and “If I remember correctly” Do not mean you are right. And IN FACT you are 100% wrong in this case. fool

[Darkoverlord-whitemane]

Can you share the clip in question please? It may be useful for study in regards to this thread.

[Ravid-whitemane]

@Notslice-whitemane

WE ARE IN THE BUG REPORT FORUM

I literally loled.

Ignore this idiot lmfao

[Sniperorc-azgalor (Sniperorc)]

That’s not what happens in Bug Reports forums. You report, QA triages, QA forwards to devs, devs fix. At no point does a representative of Blizzard confirm a bug to the player community unless it involves game-stopping bugs that involve a majority of players.

[Mccdowwell-faerlina]

It’s not an exploit, though it would not hurt for Blizzard to check their reference client to see what kind of XP groups were getting with a lvl 60 dungeon booster.

People did this all the time. You can go back and look at Hobbs’ YouTube videos from 2008. The xp was really good for those players then. It could be that the community values are correct.

We need confirmation from Blizzard.

[Vokire-cenarion-circle]

@Notslice-whitemane

Watching a streamer pull the entire sm cath with a 60 mage and aoe it down. Everyone else in the party is sub-40 and they are getting FULL XP. They are leveling in under an hour. They are not doing any type of mob tagging stuff - the 60 is staying in the group the whole time. There is supposed to be an XP penalty when you have a very high level player in the group. This does not appear to be working.

I apologize for the other posters being rude despite you reporting your belief of this being a bug in the appropriate forum. I found evidence to support your cause from two different time relevant sources:

https://web.archive.org/web/20060826233057/http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/faq/gameplay.html

How does group experience work?
All players in a group share experience for a kill. However, to offset the lesser experience that comes from grouping, all players in the group also get a group xp bonus depending on the number of players in the group. You gain more experience for kills if you group with players closer to your level, while you gain less if you group with players vastly higher than you in level.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060825080646/http://www.blizzard.com/support/wowgm/?id=agm01008p

I am in a group and fighting monsters near my level. Why am I not receiving any experience?
There are a couple reasons why you may not receive experience for killing a level appropriate monster.

The first reason would be if your character is partied with another character of much higher level. This is done to prevent low level characters from “power leveling” by having a high level character kill everything for them.

The second reason would be if the monster you are attacking has already been “tapped” by another player. The first player who does damage to a monster essentially gets full credit for the kill. If the background color of the monsters portrait text changes to grey, then you will not receive any credit for killing the monster.

I’m unsure of the exact specifics that you’re referencing, but it sounds highly likely this is a bug (EXP values were, historically, drastically reduced when leveled with someone even 10+ levels higher than you).

@Opheliàh-moon-guard

Get over yourself.

Take your own advice. If you have absolutely no evidence to support your claims, you should probably avoid attacking others.

@Opheliàh-moon-guard

Firsly, Vanilla WoW might not have had a system where having a higher level player in the group lowered the xp you would gain.

Why do you keep posting when you haven’t done any research?

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OP, I’ve attempted to do some research further into the exact EXP values to anticipate, but it appears the formula was never released. Best I can recollect, the general consensus was 4+ levels above/below made it (generally) not worthwhile to perform.

https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Formulas:Mob_XP?oldid=228414

@Sniperorc-azgalor

Because it’s not a bug if it’s doing what WoW did back in the day, and I remember that XP reduction for being carried was a comparitvely recent innovation.

To my memory, this was introduced in beta for vanilla.

https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Patch_0.6

In situations where a much higher level player helped with the kill, some of the experience reward will be reduced.

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Regardless, if there is not a reduction in the EXP value of mobs killed by your group member who is a significantly higher level than you are, this is not functioning as intended and is a bug.

[Arkayenro-khazgoroth (Arkayenro)]

@Vokire-cenarion-circle

killed by your group member who is a significantly higher level than you are

is 20 levels considered “significant” though?

[Fearvich-incendius]

The archive links don’t work, but if you enter the target address you can find it yourself. Irrefutable evidence and no attention. These forums are awful.

“Are 1/3 the total levels significant?” Surely that is a joke.

[Aizensama-faerlina]

Not surprising since Beta wasn’t really tested. There should of been at least 20k more Beta testers and it should of run for another month.

[Notslice-whitemane]

It’s been stealth fixed according to random reddit poster

Can anyone confirm?

[Riolu-bloodsail-buccaneers]

“#nochanges, except when we want to make the game harder”

Sarcasm aside, this is how it worked back in the day. #nochanges

Stop calling these things exploits. This is literally what “powerleveling” is and has existed since the dawn of time.

[Sorilae-silver-hand]

I mentioned this very thing to my wife just a few days ago. I have a strong recollection of receiving a severe experience penalty when a higher level friend (~30-35) attempted to power level an alt of mine during Vanilla. I pulled an entire camp of murloc along the coast in Westfall, we both used AE to burn them down, and I got something like 13 xp/kill. It only took two pulls before we guessed what was happening and called it quits on the ‘power leveling’.