Yeah I’m done with m+

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Every time I go into a mythic plus dungeon I regret it. They are just so awful and toxic. 30+ mins of non stop mechanics that are designed only to make you quit.

I get the hint Blizzard, you hate us. Why not add a valor system to your trash game. Why wasn’t this in at launch? Who thought it was a good idea to give the player 35 anima for a horrible experience? 35? Really? I’m just trying to get some loot to play the freaking game bruh.

No worries, messaged received. Only no lifers can play this game and enjoy it.

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Ok.

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Yes, the point of PvE content is to learn the mechanics and learn how to deal with them…? What exactly were you wanting?

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I’m just waiting until I get to 25 renown and 190 gear before I do M+. I’ve done all the M0s.

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Loot.

A lot of people are still in the old-school mindset that dungeons are “beneath” raids and should therefore be easy and not taken seriously. I notice this happens a TON with people with Mythic raiders. Whenever I see someone with low IO but having cleared Mythic bosses that’s an instant decline from me. Especially if they’re from Frostmourne.

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it’s good for super casual too.

it’s the “medium-core” folks who feel shafted.

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Join a guild with people interested in progression but also relaxed enough to make doing M+ more enjoyable.

Guilds have been in wow since Vanilla to create mini communities of people with like minded goals.

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maybe you just suck.

I can understand complaining about the reward system, but not the mechanics of dungeons themselves.

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Maybe you should not push yourself so much in a day? Not sure why people try to cram 20 m+ runs un a day and then complain about it. We have like 2-3 more months before more content drops so whats the rush?

Yup, some old school raiders in my guild that will only gear from raiding as they dont care for dungeons. M+ is nothing like raiding and I doubt a mythic raider could do high m+ but a high m+ could raid no problem.

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You have to focus for 30 to 40 minutes straight, unlike raid encounters where its 15 minutes max. Adds to the stress. There’s less focus required if you’re over-geared and more if you’re under-geared.

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Except if you think people who do mythic+ could get ce even half as easy as raiders get keystone master then :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Getting given free loot for for doing a few solo quests and world quests does not feel that great either, trust me.

Their whole design philosophy is out of whack. I can’t speak for hardcore raiders, but the rest is not what I would call engaging or rewarding.

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No they’re designed to make you a better player. That’s why they’re optional content. If you don’t want to do them, don’t do them, simple.

Oh yeah totally makes sense, they hate their subscribers, makes perfect sense.

By that logic, why do they ever do balancing patches, class changes, bug fixes, etc? Is it some kind of reverse hatred at work here? Stop sounding like a petulant little whiner my god.

No, it wasn’t, which shows that you didn’t play in Vanilla-Wrath.

Valor/Justice points are a Cataclysm invention to replace the original badging systems of TBC and Wrath that became cumbersome when they had to add a new tier of badges for each new tier of content. I remember still lugging around badges of conquest and triumph during ICC when only badges of frost mattered.

Because they didn’t want the loot pinata of BFA to continue as that was actually making M+ more toxic with the sheer deluge of real money sites selling runs ad nauseum to the point where group finder was just full of those and almost nothing else.

Blizzard also saw a positive response from classic, where gear upgrades are also rare and impactful, just like SL is now. The problem isn’t the loot system as it stands currently, the problem is whiny entitled brats were spoonfed gear through M+ for two expansion to the point where they think it’s ok to outgear heroic raiding before they even step into it, case in point with Emerald Nightmare and Uldir where people were literally disenchanting heroic item level loot week 1 on first kills cause no one needed it.

This course correction was long overdue, you won’t be able to outgear content you do now, so yes you’re going to have to actually not play like hot garbage to progress.

Biggest fallacy in this game, you don’t have to overgear the content to do the content. We were clearing heroic CN at gear levels around 205 and 207, the idea you need to overgear heroic to clear heroic is a nonsensical notion that has long been overdue for a mercy killing.

No one forces you to do any content, but don’t expect to outgear it immediately anymore. Get better.

I await the accusations of “elitism”.

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As someone who timed hundreds of 15s in BFA I want to agree with you really badly… except the reward doesn’t match the difficulty. If they want to gut the rewards you get from end of dungeon then they should have also gutted the dungeon difficulty. You shouldn’t have to do a dungeon that borders heroic raid difficulty for normal level gear at end of dungeon, and the excuse that the end of week gear makes up for it is ridiculous. Nobody wants to wait a week just to maybe get enough gear to get to a slightly higher M+ level.

People have legitimate reasons to find M+ pointless and unrewarding. To require MDI level of play for below heroic ilvl gear is straight up toxic. Either increase the end of dungeon loot in both volume and ilvl or lower the dungeon difficulty to match the gear it drops at end of dungeon.

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so this is about lack of loot.

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Not true at all but don’t let that stop you.

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i can’t speak for the hardcore raider either, but i mostly fart around, spending 1hr or so a day doing various things in retail.

i fart around on classic here and there if a friend’s who’s playing needs a dungeon healed - (i did some mediocre raiding in phase 1 and 2, with a mediocre guild - it was fun for a time)

there’s enough stuff in retail to keep me entertained for a while, but im not playing to get max ilvl - i’m not really playing on the meta lvl, i’m playing it like a boomer basically.

so i do a few things, get a decent amount of rewards.

i could totally see doing 4-5 mythic+ in a row and not getting any gear quite discouraging for the standard medium-core player though - when i spend an hr or so a day and have gotten several upgrades every week

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So your problem is with the drop rates, the final chest reward, or the mechanics? All of them?

Drop rates I understand. Mechanics — nope. Won’t give that to you. Dungeon guide literally explains pretty much all of them. The rest of it is up to the player to figure it out. M+ is supposed to be challenging. part of that challenge is knowing to:
“not step in fire”
“dispel”
“interrupt cast”
“kill add”

Any specific mechanics you’re struggling with?

Again, agreed about the loot though! The drought is real, especially when you can just afk in a BG for a day or so and get guaranteed loot heh.

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Yea blizzard its not fair, I pay you guys every month so mythic plus should just be free loot, nothing inside the dungeon should do any damage to me, I should be able to completely ignore every mechanic and at the end I should get a upgrade every single time. Fix this blizzard its not fair!

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Its Blizzards community that they foster. Its absolutely horrible. The worst community of any gaming community by far. People who stop playing blizzard games and go try something else know full well about this. Seriously…go play Final Fantasy 14 online for just a day…go see how their community acts with raids and dungeons (raids that are WAY more mechanic based and harder than wow mythic raids ever been).

The people who enjoy the community are probably the people who are part of the problem…toxic people. Just look at the replies in here for examples. What is Blizzards response? To cater to those people…the worst in the world of gaming.

Like i mentioned above, go test another MMO…see how those companies handle behavior like blizzard players…it isnt tolerated at all. You want to try and run content but tell people they must meet a certain dps requirement and only play a certain spec and build and the way they want you to play instead of how you do? HA, those people are slapped down pretty hard and the community is all the better for it. Meanwhile on the flip side over here with Blizzard…they see that behavior and they encourage and provide ways to do it better and you see the result.

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