It’s all good pallys, instead of crying about this specific nerf, advocate for blizz adding long arm of the law and/or divine steed
That way you can actually slot in rebuke without being infinitelly kited
Paladins do not need those things. This slow behaving like other slows is still plenty
Having a single slow on a 30 second cooldown that uses 1/5 of your mana on a class with zero mobility or speed increases and competes with other important runes is not “plenty”
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It won’t cost that much later on, and youll have cleanse and freedom. I main pally in era. These aren’t real problems
You’re the dude that genuinely thinks that ret pally is S tier in era
Your input on paladin is worthless
No, you just don’t know the game. Ret/Reckoning and Holy/Reckoning are S tier in era when properly geared.
I rest my case🤡
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NOT DIVINE STEED, ANYTHING BUT THAT
god it’s such a STUPID looking ability. I HATE IT! I would rather go the entirety of classic never having any sort of gap closer, and I would be happier than if I had to use a goofy assed 2 second mount that makes you look like you get pogo sticked up and down.
Long arm of the law I’d take though.
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how about a bouquet of flowers to go with the pretty teal dress?
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it actually will cost that much later on, because it scales as a % of your base mana, it’s not a flat cost, so it’s mana cost will continue to rise, and it will in fact continue to cost that much.
What case?
That this dude has zero idea wtf he’s talking about as far as whats needed for paladin to be viable
He considers ret to be S tier in vanilla era
Absolute clown take
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They are S tier in Vanilla
Also, what is your counter to that claim?
Is this your sockpuppet account LOL
anyone that says that ret paladin is S tier in era is a certified idiot
Not a single premade would bring a ret paladin in place of a holy paladin or any other offensive class
And in every one of the major lvl 60 dueling tournaments paladin had essentially zero representation
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Paladins did well in the EU tournaments. They just weren’t really played in NA in those tournaments.
You haven’t presented a single argument.
You’ve just completely ignored my argument
Ret paladin is FAR from S tier in either group pvp OR 1v1s
You actually haven’t given a single argument
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Ret is exceptional at 1v1 - Essentially a free win against all melee in the game (not even competitive), strong into lock and priest (fear protection, can kill lock pets almost instantly from full), strong into mage (cleanse spam, freedom, range stun with macro). Its main issue is ele shaman, but if the bubble is done properly, it can overcome.
You would think an S tier 1v1 class would have tons of representation in 1v1 tournaments with money on the line then and would place high
Wonder why it’s almost non existent on the brackets 
Maybe you need to reevaluate what S tier actually means
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There’s good reason for this.
Because you can’t prestack your reck stacks to 4 before a duel xD
Seriously though. Reck bombing is basically a meme. You do it on unsuspecting people, randomly out of the blue, then laugh about it. It’s a world pvp shenannigan, and has no real value in premades, unless your entire goal is to just run around without doing anything just to build up some reck stacks from melee attacking you, before slapping someone, and HOPING you kill them (you probably won’t if they’re pvp geared)
My rogue back in the day, a mix of pre-raid, MC, bwl and AQ gear, was rocking 28% avoidance, miss not included, 3.8k hp, and a further 28% damage reduction from armor.
With say, 1000 ap (basically gonna need to be full bis to get that with r14 gear), you’re looking at about 572 damage per white swing against 0 armor, so about 412 damage after armor. Then 28% of those hits are gonna miss, BUT about 15% are gonna crit, so, we’ll say on average 13% DR from that, brings the average hit down to 358 damage.
Okay, and you get 5 swings from reck, so… about 1500 damage on average from your reck bomb.
Wow, actually not that impressive when you run the numbers. You could definitely one shot a fresh 60 mage, that’s for sure, but my mish-mash, not even fully raid geared rogue with 3800hp would’t have even been dropped to 50%