Y'all ever feel like the Horde sticking together so long is kinda forced?

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Orcs: Yeah, sure. They’re the origin and backbone. They -are- the Horde.

Trolls: I think in the post-Thrall Horde, they should have very little loyalty to the Horde, but they’d probably remain for the security despite being treated as bottom-rung members most of the time. They’re a small tribe after all.

Undead: I think, logically, Sylvanas would stick with the Horde purely to prevent some sort of witch hunt on her and her people by both factions. However, the story direction lately clearly paints the entire race as comically evil, and I’m sure if it wasn’t for gameplay mechanics, they’d be treated as their own Hostile faction.

Tauren: They were loyal to the Horde because Thrall saved them initially. Thrall is gone. Their loyalty should have left with him. The Horde since then has made too many calls that the Tauren would never make on their own. Too much moral conflict, and I don’t think they need the Horde to survive. They’d be a Neutral faction.

Blood Elves: They have almost joined the Alliance on 2 separate occasions, at least, and share basically nothing in common with the main Horde races. It feels like only their location ties them to the Horde due to the Undead existing. I know why they initially joined, but if we assume the Undead are now their own Hostile faction anyway, I think it makes the most sense for Blood Elves to move on from the past and work with the Alliance, even if they aren’t in perfect sync.

Goblins: They’re literally motivated by money and nothing else. The Horde is currently a vehicle for pure profit for them, so they’re Horde. If Alliance gave them the means of earning similar amounts of gold, they’d be Alliance. I feel like these guys are Neutral almost by definition, even if their morals would align more closely with the Horde.

TL;DR:
Orcs = Horde
Trolls = Horde, mostly for security

Undead = Hostile faction

Tauren = Neutral faction
Goblins = Neutral faction
Blood Elves = Neutral faction or Alliance

Meanwhile, the Alliance all mostly share the same morals at the very least, even if they wouldn’t always make the same decisions. There’s no reason for significant internal conflict in the Alliance, whereas the Horde has constant issue in this regard because their races have fundamental and significant cultural differences.

I feel like if Blizz wantde to sell the Horde races as -needing- to stick together despite their differences, they would have had to have sold the Alliance as MUCH more of an aggressor than they have in all of WoW.

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Do you miss the old Orcs vs Humans days?

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TL;DR
Humans = Alliance
Dwarves = Alliance, mostly for security
Night Elves = Neutral faction before BFA, now banded to see Sylvanas defeated
Gnomes = Alliance, mostly for security
Draenei = Neutral faction before Legion
Worgen = Alliance, mostly to see Sylvanas defeated

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Eh, maybe, but groups with disparate belief systems can still get along just fine. Two of the major things keeping the Horde together are 1. the world almost ending every other year and 2. The Alliance would probably treat some of the Horde sub factions pretty terrible.

Also, the Alliance get along together so well because something like 50% of the races in the Alliance are human(human, worgen, kul tiran) or human looking(gnomes, dwarves, dark iron dwarves).

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I’d like to see the Forsaken added as a third faction, myself. It’s clear that both the ingame leaders (Baine massacres a large crew of Forsaken to aid the Alliance) and most of our Horde “brothers” would like to see us exterminated.

Pretty sick of it, honestly.

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The horde was formed for survival, the alliance was formed to keep an eye on the horde.

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We have a winner. There is strength in numbers. Also there was at least some allegiance with a post-thrall horde on most of the races since quite a few were given “outs” throughout time. Vol’jin could have taken Zul’s deal in Cata to leave, but sided with the Horde. The BE could have left on multiple occasions, but Lothremar has declined and like 98% of the blood elves remain Horde with only the void-y ones switching sides. The only race that actually has no reason to really stay on the Horde are the Tauren at this point and a pure disband of the horde is foolish because a like 10v1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1 is horrible odds where each race loses to the Alliance in the end anyway and its back into internment camps for the orcs and such.

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When will they learn? When will they see that the Horde exists BECAUSE of the Alliance? - Lor’themar Theron

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Most of Warcraft 3, in regards to the Horde, felt forced. Blizzard forced a ‘morally gray’ whitewash on the Horde when it didn’t make sense, by, among other things, adding Tauren and Blood elfs (creating belfs in the first place).

Thus, Blizz created Thrall, the one who would bring goodness to the Horde, which he failed miserably at. He may have been a half-decent Orc who wanted something better for his people, but really, it was just awkward and weird. And except for 1 or 2 others, Honour never really fit with the Orcs. At its essence, the Horde never really changed from its own volition; they’ve been forced into moderatecy due to circumstances (Warcraft 3) and new members (belfs+Tauren) But at its core, they still crave war and domination.

And, Theron is misguided and confused, it is totally the other way around. (some very bad writing on Blizzards part, to be sure)

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It feels forced only because they keep trying to push the story that the Horde don’t know who they are.

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really? I always considered the Alliance of Stormwind a natural progression or evolution of the Alliance of Lordaeron, and it was formed to protect the world from the destructive onslaught of the horde; just as the Orcish Horde of Warcraft 2 was the seed from which the thrall horde (which has returned to its roots, just weaker) came from.

  1. Orcish Horde = “Invade and destroy Azeroth and kill all who stand in our way”
  2. New Horde = “Carve out our own little niche civilization in Azeroth and kill all who stand in our way”
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Problem with the Horde is that while wanting to change their rather bad image from their Warcraft 2, serve-the-legion, days - they really never made any strides to do just that. They’ve seemed to hold fast to their ‘kill and destroy’ mentality. Only when a common enemy threatens both factions, or when they’re just too weak, will they attempt to curb their unrelenting desire to kill and destroy all that is good and right in the world.

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The alliance of Stormwind is a power grab on the part of the house Wrynn. See: their continuing ambition to annex the northern part of the continent. Their intent to “reclaim” Lordaeron from the people living there - the people of Lordaeron.

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Let’s have a conversation about Pandas.

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Pandas are an evolutionary dead end. They have the omnivorous digestive system of a bear, yet eat only bamboo.

Pandas can’t even digest bamboo.

The only way they get sustenance from bamboo is from the microbes in their digestive tract which CAN digest bamboo. In order to pass the microbes from one generation to the next, panda cubs must eat the feces of their mothers.

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I think Dwarves just generally like Humans on a subconscious and cultural level (might be offset from Titanforge origins) so think they’re legit Alliance, the Gnomes i’d add Security and Literal Survival since them and Darkspears are the lowest canonical populations when WoW first came out.

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No. Saying the Tauren should go neutral just because their views don’t align with the Warchief’s (Garrosh/Sylvanas) is like saying California should go neutral because of Trump.

The Horde is more than its Warchief. Tauren citizens have built connections with Orcs, Trolls, Forsakens and the others that have helped them time and time again. The same goes for all the other races in the Horde.

A race does not have a “view”, it’s leaders do. That’s a common failure on this board… to generalize the entire race to a single dimension or opinion.

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Which is again, because Blizzard wants to keep the “What is the Horde” storyline going.

Because the Horde was decidedly not like that until Garrosh came into power (except for the Forsaken…but they are an entirely different issue.)

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Ya im tired of seeing your undead body parts laying all around.
I vote to toss the undead into the lava in blackrock mountain.

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The Horde is inherently less unified than the Alliance, which is why we break into civil war so often. It’s only together partially out of loyalty and partially out of practicality.