And yet you object to playing at endgame because you have to regear once every few months. ![:roll_eyes:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/roll_eyes.png?v=6" ":roll_eyes:")
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Nice cherry pick. Canāt branch out to a more populated twinking bracket? Canāt consider turning to community recruitment? Sounds like defeatism.
Levelers didnāt hurt your experience. Many players twinked specifically to prey on levelers. In fact, you need us for your queues to pop.
So no, not at all. My choice to level didnāt encroach on yours to twink, you just made our experience immeasurably worse.
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Please do not assume to know any reason why I personally twink.
Twinking for me isnāt a gearing issue, for me itās a BFA is lackluster and boring issue.
Itās a Iām tired of the raid or GTFO mentality.
Itās a Iām tired of getting crafting mats in boxes for winning a BG
Itās a Iām tired of honor meaning nothing issue
Itās a Iām tired of no PvP gear vendor issue
And see thatās the other thing, if you are just leveling along, why do you care if player xyz stays in that bracket?
Youāll be past him in a few hours anyway, right? And never have to see him again unless you pass through again, and even then, just figure out what time xyz is on, and go quest or pet battle or dungeon to gain exp. Bgās arenāt the only avenue to get exp.
I played endgame for years and years. I do actually have 120ās, and a LOT of twinks are also mythic raiders.
BFA is lackluster and boring, sorry, I just do not enjoy this expansion at all.
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Pre-cap random BGs are identical to BFA BGs with the caveat that there are fewer keybinds, talent choices, and systems like azerite gear. What about that is so exciting to you?
Crafting matsā¦ honor being unimportantā¦ everything you just said you donāt enjoy about BFA is true of low level BGs. You have to see the irony. BFA is boring and so you choose to play a watered down version of BFA exclusively.
Correct. Iād level past him in a few hours and into a brand new bracket where other twinks were present. You know that.
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To put it simply, I chose the bracket I played in for a reason. Your points have all been about how levelers donāt have to change, worry about their gear, enchant etc.
I donāt move. I stay in the same bracket and they play games with me for 10 levels before they leave it forever. People have dozens of ways to level. Twinks have one outlet. You get rid of an entire base because āBut I wanted to do it this wayā and threw a tantrum.
Now you want all twinks to change so they can only play the 2 or 3 brackets available? How bias of you.
Actually they did. They afked in BGs. Refused to carry their weight and got angry when being told basic strats and areas to get better gear. They barely communicate in a team based game because as I was told multiple times āI dont care iām just here for exp anywayā while also screaming āI was one shot!ā when they ran into a group of four alone. Blamed people who were not even twinks.
They then let a poor mentality bleed all the way up to 120 BGs.
Not all of them are bad. Lots of super nice just leveling just like lots of nice twinks wanting to pvp in bracket and help levelers with their games.
Your unwillingness to try to be anything but the bare minimum while leveling is what made your
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PvPāers had and have exactly one way to level. Twinks still have their outlet and theyāll gain an additional one with the release of classic.
Mkay well weāre certainly not hurting your experience anymore. Win/win I guess. Here I thought you needed us to get your queues- you did just suggest that twinks were destroyed. Twinks need levelers but levelers hardly need twinks. Thatās not exactly a symbiotic relationship.
Well Iām having more fun now so I suppose itās possible that Iām striving to the my very best me, as you so eloquently put it. Itās also possible that Iām having more fun because there are far fewer twinks around.
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I suppose. Iām too tired to argue.
Blizzard destroyed the one last aspect of this game that was actually fun.
WoW has gone back to being a single player game.
My community is destroyed, 90% of my friends have left.
If the queues for exp: off would actually pop, I wouldnāt be upset, but they donāt.
It may sound good in theory to just rally the troops, jump to a new bracket ect.
But see the thing is, even when we tried to organize an exp: off queue with 20 players 10 on each sideā¦ we waited for SIX hours for a queue to pop, andā¦ nothing.
The system is broken on some other level it seems. Donāt believe me? Turn exp off and see if you get an estimated timer. You donāt.
One or two twinks is not going to decide if the BG is won or not.
I have seen the best of the best twink teams get taken down once we broke their triad.
And they stomped us just as many times.
They didnāt stomp us because they were ābetterā geared, they stomped us because they had optimal team compositions.
Premades were a way bigger problem than 1 or 2 solo twinks queueing.
What blizzard needs to do, is populate leveling queues with AI, so that levelers can get their precious exp with minimal effort, and heirloomed/chanted players can group with twinks and get exp and a challenge, and the joy of PvP.
Or make a minimum ilvl requirement to queue.
I mean, i canāt join an LFR without Ilvl what it is? 340? And LFR is considered ācasual raidingā right?
So why wouldnāt ācasualā Bgās also require some effort.
You donāt ever bring a knife to a gun fight.
Want to PvP?
Then gear up and PvP.
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Not a bad idea tbh I wouldnāt mind them being put against ai they donāt like PvP much anyway half the time ppl in my leveling bgs afk or complain
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Some here might argue that twinks caused more frequent lopsided matches. While I somewhat agree with that, itās to a point. I oppose twinks because theyāre anti-fun. I donāt want to tiptoe around you, be the waterboy for my own teamās twinks, and I donāt want to twink myself because endgame is endgame, pre-cap isnāt.
It was a matter of time before this classic deflection resurfaced. The olā razzle dazzle. Theyāre both problems. Distinct, individual problems. You can try to distract people from your favorite issue by pointing to another issue but donāt expect it to work often.
Blizzard doesnāt need to do anything except hotfix the exploit as far as Iām concerned. Turning PvP into PvE isnāt a solution. If you want back in, consider advocating for better scaling to make the environment more mutually hospitable for us.
Iām not spending the time or resources to get myself a new āgunā for each of the eleven brackets to 120. That inconvenience may benefit you, the minority, but itās a QOL issue for 90% or more of the players that you see in low level BGs.
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Leveling is PVE. PVP was made as itās own unique aspect of the game.
Saying it is leveling for pvpers is bull because most of them donāt pvp or they would know to gear and guard flags. It has never been said to be a āthing for pvpersā it has always been said āI did BGs because I was bored and itās fast expā
Yeah classic is a thing now. Itās the ājust go play thatā every time they further break retail.
Unless you make a 20 without buying the game or a 110 without buying BFA they donāt pop.
Twinks donāt need levelers they need people in BGs. The biggest problem is there is no incentive to BG so they just slapped massive exp gains on it.
A selfish mentality to fit with the previous problems. Yes. You can continue on while others now have an abrupt halt in all their game play. The selfish antisocial behavior in this game being one of the biggest problems itās facing now of course.
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This is an issue, as documented.
They are not taking away your ability to Twink! In fact they are giving you and other Twinks your very own BGs where you can battle to hearts content.
Your choice to Twink does not give you the right to disrupt the play of those who do not wish to BG with Twnks!
Not anymore. PvP has been a valid way to level since wrath.
Twinks hate generalizations like ātwinks all just want to smash players who canāt stand a chanceā but then spout of some nonsense like this.
ā¦ So they need levelers.
Twinking as a concept is selfish. Itās fun for you and for no one around you.
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hahaha, this made me laugh. 
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Isnāt it interesting that everyone in this thread trying to make claims like this about levelers are also the Posters who have their public profile hidden?
Then that is on you, not twinks.
*Doesnāt want to take time or effort to gear to be more powerful against PVE and PvP opponents.
*Gets to level 120 and spends time and effort getting gear to be more powerful against PVE and I guess? PVP opponents
Why do those two have to be mutually exclusive?
Why not do both (if max level appeals to you).
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Twinking has been valid since vanilla.
If the shoe fits your feet. I already stated I know there are many who are nice levelers who were not part of why they split. You glossed over that I see.
Read it again. Keep trying. You might get it sometime.
Actually itās fun in general and everyone can get gear. The fact that people refuse is what is selfish.
Effort makes reward.
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Correct, no argument. ![:thinking:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/thinking.png?v=6" ":thinking:")
If that was a dig at me having a hidden profile, i did that because I had a psycho weirdo stalker for awhile who was literally trying to find my mains and was asking people in my guilds what my real name was, and where I lived.
Had literally nothing to do with WoW, and everything to do with a weirdo that i did NOT want to come knocking on my door IRL.
Alsoā¦ this is a posting toon, not a twink, havenāt decided what I want to do with her, if anythingā¦ gallywix isnāt exactly a stellar server, and enchants are dang near impossible to find =/
If queues werenāt split, I would have spent the money to server transfer her, but no reason now to bother giving Blizzard any money.
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