03/03/2018 06:49 PMPosted by
Neeno
03/03/2018 06:12 PMPosted by
Saelith
I just bought FFXIV during the Steam sale and am cancelling my subscription to WoW. Im pretty sad its been 10 years and it came to this but there is no reason for them to go backwards like they have. To me its a bad sign of the direction Blizzard wants to go. Money talks, and so does my time. So I wont be playing anymore :( farewell my friends. Hopefully Blizz figures it out one day.
It'll be hard to get into XIV if you played WoW though.
2.5 second GCD and spamming 1 and/or 2 for 20 levels.
It's got an abysmally slow start.
I am level 19 already, honestly you're right it is but the thing about it is you can have every class and job on one character. So in a way it feels a bit different then the 1-110 grind on multiple characters of different classes, professions, factions. It helps that its my first time playing the game unlike WoW. The story also feels a bit more engaging to me. The thing that I love most in any game is really good customization which I think FFXIV does far far better. My end game is looking as awesome as possible. Plus player housing!!! And I do plan on joining a free company and making some friends. The community seems pretty cool.
03/03/2018 04:05 PMPosted by
Antorus
So presumably the people complaining have already leveled 20 characters or more to max, yet they still need more alts so much that its the end of the world if they dont have them, but dont want to put in 40 hours to do it.
The only fun gameplay is at or near max level, which this change has made abundantly clear. Even leveling in Legion via questing alone (once you have your artifact and thus, your actual rotation) is leagues better than even MoP. Legion feels like a world full of people. Everything else is empty zones and faceless, voiceless npcs.
Also it's closer to three days played, not two.
03/03/2018 07:54 PMPosted by
Onyxion
You mean you want them to cater to your new exploit?
Exploit? Oh please. 100% legitimate use of game mechanics only. We've just been upgrading our understanding of the game systems to increase efficiency.
Children, behave yourselves.
I can't speak of the FFXIV endgame, as I've not played much. But I've watched NEST's videos from Drak, and raiding looks insane. Everything looks crazy tight, timing-wise. Sure, things eventually look same-y, but that's true of every MMO.
As far as WoW goes? I've barely touched the game this week, despite claiming to want to dungeon chain to level my Shaman to get an accurate /played time via that method. I just stare at how long I know it's going to take, even with a healer's queue time (which is much longer than it was prior to 7.3.5, FYI) and I just... go play something else. I think I can unsub within the next two days to just stop torturing myself, but I want to be able to play.
I just can't right now. Zone questing isn't fun. Slowly whittling down giant bags of HP isn't fun. Knowing any alts I want to level will have to level the exact same way every single time isn't fun. I'm not having fun anymore. And I should be having loads of fun, given we got four "new races" to play around with. As an altoholic, I've got all four rolled up. But I can't commit 50 hours just to get to the actual meat of the game for each of them.
And again, that's 50 hours purely for questing. No professions, no dailies, no dungeons, nothing of the sort. And that 50 hours is with the Monk buff giving a little bit of extra XP, since I'm missing like one XP-granting heirloom type.
I want to play WoW. But I want to have fun playing it. I don't want leveling alts to feel like a job I'm not being paid to do. Leveling should feel good. And between the nerf to stats, the bloated mob HP, and how much they cranked up the XP needed to level in places... it's not. It doesn't feel good at all.
The world scales, and you never, ever, ever get stronger.
Then why am I leveling up? They talk a big game when they bring up topics like 'class fantasy' or 'immersion,' but how is a boar in Westfall joining you in your quest to reach Outland immersive? I can't take that boar with me unless I'm a Hunter, and even then, it'll just get weaker the second I tame him! There is no immersion anymore. It's dead, Jim.
There are plenty of things I need to get done at max level - I have... threeeee class mounts I haven't finished getting yet? I think it's only three - Warlock, Shaman, Druid (which I put off because the dumb things basically had no animations and couldn't even land for awhile. Still dunno if I want it over my regular-sized owl form). I've done the stupid Breaching the Tomb chain that many times, despite thinking it should be account-wide.
But I can't do that either. Because I don't want to do Breaching the damn Tomb again. I want to level my new damn alts. But I can't do that either because I cannot commit 150 more hours to three god damn characters!
I'll make a decision whether to just abandon my desire to see exactly how long it takes to dungeon chain to max level when you can't actually dungeon chain anymore tomorrow. Thinking about this stupid game makes me exhausted these days. I want to be able to enjoy it, and level alts, and not have the game controlled by a bunch of idiots who not only hate their player base, but are too cowardly to even re-enter their own damn thread to converse with them.
Leaving is depressing to think about. WoW's gotten me through some dark, dark times in my life. But I can't keep giving my money to them when they clearly don't care about player happiness anymore. Keep the fight going without me. I'd like to come back sooner than later.
03/03/2018 08:26 PMPosted by
Onyxion
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Exploit? Oh please. 100% legitimate use of game mechanics only. We've just been upgrading our understanding of the game systems to increase efficiency.
Sure buddy.
He is correct and you are wrong.
03/03/2018 08:57 PMPosted by
Linra
03/03/2018 08:26 PMPosted by
Onyxion
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Sure buddy.
He is correct and you are wrong.
Quite the argument there, Clearing instances at greater than 1 per 6 minutes is exploitive regardless of the dungeon (and he said random que, what is he running with 4 xp locked twinks or some such nonsense and sprinting to the end of each?)
Also they should fix the brd grim guzzler skip powerlevel method, thats been absurd for a long long time.
03/03/2018 08:57 PMPosted by
Linra
...He is correct and you are wrong.
Quite the argument there, Clearing instances at greater than 1 per 6 minutes is exploitive regardless of the dungeon (and he said random que, what is he running with 4 xp locked twinks or some such nonsense and sprinting to the end of each?)
Also they should fix the brd grim guzzler skip powerlevel method, thats been absurd for a long long time.
How's it an exploit when its been unchanged for so long when actual exploits get patched ASAP.
03/03/2018 08:57 PMPosted by
Linra
...He is correct and you are wrong.
Quite the argument there, Clearing instances at greater than 1 per 6 minutes is exploitive regardless of the dungeon (and he said random que, what is he running with 4 xp locked twinks or some such nonsense and sprinting to the end of each?)
Also they should fix the brd grim guzzler skip powerlevel method, thats been absurd for a long long time.
Sorry, I know it's tough to understand but using things efficiently are not exploits.
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Quite the argument there, Clearing instances at greater than 1 per 6 minutes is exploitive regardless of the dungeon (and he said random que, what is he running with 4 xp locked twinks or some such nonsense and sprinting to the end of each?)
Also they should fix the brd grim guzzler skip powerlevel method, thats been absurd for a long long time.
How's it an exploit when its been unchanged for so long when actual exploits get patched ASAP.
Regardless of the word you feel like using Blizzard is showing they will remove excessively quick powerleveling methods, they are not going to change something like the instance lockout cap to make powerleveling easier, kind of obvious.
I’m unsubbing my 2 accounts too. I just can’t do this anymore. The leveling experience is more painful than pulling teeth.
... How's it an exploit when its been unchanged for so long when actual exploits get patched ASAP.
Regardless of the word you feel like using Blizzard is showing they will remove excessively quick powerleveling methods, they are not going to change something like the instance lockout cap to make powerleveling easier, kind of obvious.
I also remember once upon an expansion they claimed they were doing away with flying entirely. Blizzard's decisions are never concrete and always up for change given enough pressure. What astounds me is how people feel so strongly against how quickly people level. Its like getting mad at others for using a shortcut to get around slow traffic.
When 7.3.5 hit me and a bunch of friends were excited to quest and do zones together. It only took to level like 25 before we stopped reading them (mind you we've done them before, only really reading as a refresher). By level 40 a couple of us decided it wasn't worth it so we power leveled ourselves up.
One friend who doesn't get to play often (maybe 2 hours a night) is barely 75 and has complained so much. I constantly tease him because at the beginning he was one of the people going "It's more fun now". But now it's just a slog to him and he says he won't level anything else.
I want to reroll on a better raiding server in the downtime before BFA but that isn't going to happen. I will probably use my boost and raid on that character... and I hope i like the class since i don't want to pay to xfer and i don't want to level up again. Once this month runs out I will most likely stay unsubbed til BFA comes out.
(and he said random que, what is he running with 4 xp locked twinks or some such nonsense and sprinting to the end of each?)
Just this guy, and I'm clearing the whole thing out. Kill exp is actually worth having since I'm in the level bracket. Sorry I'm such an OP panda, but I'm still not exploiting any design errors.
(and he said random que, what is he running with 4 xp locked twinks or some such nonsense and sprinting to the end of each?)
Just this guy, and I'm clearing the whole thing out. Kill exp is actually worth having since I'm in the level bracket. Sorry I'm such an OP panda, but I'm still not exploiting any design errors.
Its a design error if a twink can be made to quickly solo dungeons at the level break by using gear meant for the next expansion or that expansion’s endgame. XP locked chars should trigger the same xp penalty for non locked chars as a max level character.
Either you guys are overblowing the xp situation or didnt actually level a toon up since changes. One can still get to lvl 100 in 3-4 days if you are actually doing stuff.
03/03/2018 04:43 PMPosted by
Antorus
I did read it, and the heritage armor is cosmetic, so you do not need it. Its a reward for going through the leveling process. Either thats worth it to you or it isnt. Blizzard isnt a horrible company just because they want to try and restore a core element of their game to some glimmer of its former meaning.
Restore a core element to some glimmer of former meaning? No, I don't think that is any part of the intent here, at all. If that is what one is looking for, I might suggest they move over to the "classic" server when it becomes available.
I choose to play a
current content server and I don't want to be slowed down when leveling an alt. I invested in heirlooms for a reason (that was a
huge investment) and I want them restored and my leveling exp to be rewarding and reflect that I've been a loyal customer for several years.
I also will speak for myself here...
I already have a baker's dozen alts at 110. All pre 7.3.5. I was mid way in the process of bringing up another before the allied races came out, but stopped leveling her so I could just transfer the process to an allied race. What a mistake. I wish I'd finished her before 7.3.5. Now I get to struggle through this tedium called leveling with two alts.
I wanted a mage horde side, so I thought this was a good idea and would get the heritage armor at the same time. Well, the heritage armor certainly isn't enough of a carrot for me to care anymore.
I really have no desire to go through this (leveling) again in its current state, and I'm not spending cash on race changes or boosts. Which means, I most likely won't be playing any other allied races with this drudgery attached.
Adding new elements is what keeps the old from becoming stale. If this direction for leveling is anywhere along the path of the future for the next expansion, then there may be a storm ahead. I want to move forward, not fall back to restore a core element to some glimmer of former meaning.
03/04/2018 05:18 AMPosted by
Arahkan
One can still get to lvl 100 in 3-4 days if you are actually doing stuff.
Before 7.3.5 I could do that in one day, 16-18 hours if I really tried...
After the patch, 60-ish hours to get to 110, granted there were some afk's to get coffee to keep me awake during the slog.
XP locked chars should trigger the same xp penalty for non locked chars as a max level character.
Ok done. Now people have a way to grief random dungeons.
But in all seriousness, there is no issue here. It would be doable with ICC loot at a slightly slower pace. People were always able to solo normal dungeons by kitting out in top end gear for an expansion. They can do it in Legion right now. All I did was use that to help level people at a better rate.