Ah my apologies I understand what you were eluding to now which makes sense.
It would be definitely an intriguing angle if she was the unknown, unnamed fifth old god that was the weakest of them and because of that was consumed in the earliest days of the Black Empire. The only remaining trace was some of this entities soul or cosmic essence that was used to empower the sentient blade weapon.
There is also the possibility that N’Zoth used the forges in Nyalotha to create the Blade as part of some bargain between him and Xal’atath. We know that they did have some kind of bargain between them; was this a bargain that enabled Xal’atath to survive as a trapped soul inside the crafted weapon that was capable of being a vessel for of an old gods soul. If that is the case we can logically say that this was part of Xal’atath’s bargain with N’Zoth in order to survive and not be completely consumed by the other four old gods.
However, the question is what did N’Zoth get out of this? Could it be that many of the actions that changed and shaped the world of Azeroth in which Xalatath was either directly or indirectly involved be it as the blade or as herself was something constructed and orchestrated by N’Zoth to be all part of his grand plan.
If that is that case then after the events in the Crucible of Storms we know she was no longer bound by any agreement with N’Zoth. Which is why the whole reversal of fortunes where the soul of N’Zoth was trapped within the blade by Wrathion doing Xalatath’s work for her and returning the favor to N’Zoth of saving him from death by imprisoning him in the dagger. However, unlike before she had no such bargain with N’Zoth as their arrangements had been completed and she was freed by N’Zoth at the end of Crucible of Storms.
This hints at a very dark vengeance oriented streak within Xal’atath and the thought about the possibility that if she was indeed originally consumed by the other four old gods? If she has this dark vengeance streak could she have some dark plan that facilitates her desire to consume those that originally consumed her?
It all has that rather full circle aspect that we know Blizzard likes to play around with in various ways.
Maybe someone could answer this, but aren’t all Old Gods supposed to be Harbingers in a way?
Weren’t they flung into space by the Void Lords in hopes of finding and corrupting a World Soul?
Wouldn’t that make sense if Xal’atath was the first Old God to land on Azeroth, a Harbringer of the Void Lords, overthrown by the other Old Gods for “reasons.”
“I alone can save you from what is to come” -N’zoth
Old God just had a change of heart?
“The Light has struck a bargain with the enemy of all”
Harbinger by definition is - a person or thing that shows that something is going to happen soon, especially something bad
Certainly N’Zoth and some of the various void whispers could be taken as a form of Harbinger as they were in many cases a kind of encrypted premonitions of possible event in the future.
However, I don’t think they started out in this way they held power during The Black Empire and were even able to bend the Elemental Lords to ally with them. In actual fact if you think about it they might have actually been vessels of transformation and change that were designed to make sure various events happened and even used things like the Titans own powers, creations and machines against them.
Remember that all the old gods where designed to die and if you think about that then ask yourself why they had this destiny it had to serve some purpose right. Their deaths all triggered a change of events and various other changes across Azeroth making them more like the Vessels that has given the possibility of Void to fulfill it’s desires in relation to Azeroth.
Not sure they were flung into space so randomly more they were sent directly at Azeroth to serve a purpose with a destiny to die and become vessels that served to ensure a much larger void scheme.
Yes and No Xal’atath could have been sent before or later it doesn’t matter as long as the grand Scheme of the Void continues to have the possibility of being fulfilled. She might have been the one who knew the greater plan and became the architect which was able to manipulate, coerce and ensure that events needed to set the wheels in motion that enabled possible future events would be more likely to happen than not happen.
Maybe but it could also be that even though he was destined to die he thought he could change his destiny if he could manipulate the heroes of Azeroth to ally with him. However, that only ultimately played in to the events that had been orchestrated to happen at the hands of Xal’atath
This is a weird one for me I am not so sure it was originally supposed to be the titans and I think it has been changed to this due to various changes in expansion release schedules etc.
You need to ask yourself - Are Titans the enemy of all though? We know that the Titans protect Life and work with The Light as long things remained ‘ordered’. To be the enemy of all then Life and even Light wouldn’t be on their side; don’t get me wrong I am not a fan of the Titans they are like a cross between Dr Frankenstein, Dr Moreau, a Psychopathic Mass Murderer and a Master Hypnotist…just think they want everything and everyone to be members of their cult even if they have to brainwash, lie, cheat and change events both past and present.
IMHO - I think originally it was supposed to be that The Light made some kind of Bargain with DEATH as Shadowlands was originally meant to be a much later expansion that happens after the Emerald Dream and Dragon Isles. This is likely the thing that Chris Metzen was talking about when he said that certain things have been changed that can’t be retconned so easily from the Shadowlands expansion.
The reason that I believe that enemy of all was originally going to be Death. Death is the cosmic force that has an unquenchable thirst and hunger that drives it to consume all life and all those that aids it - Light, Order, Disorder, and even Void technically all aid life in their own way so Death would if it was able to consume all of them. I think this Light bargain was something that was going to make Shadowlands once again connected to Death and Decay and not Life and Spirit as it is now. Putting a cosmic level battle that pitted Death against all because Light likely sees the error in the bargain it made etc.
That all being said this isn’t what we have now and while Death is the true enemy of all they are retconning this to make the titans the ultimate bad guys in the end, however would Azeroth be what it is today with the abundance of life and races on it without them? Certainly if could be full of Life but what would that look like it most definitely wouldn’t look like it does now because you wouldn’t have any of the titanforged that through the curse of flesh became races in their own right. Anyway thats just food for thought.
Except we know of other Old Gods out there. We can see void corrupted planets in the distance when on the Vindicaar following the Argus encounter. We know that an Old God tried to get summoned onto Draenor for whatever reason. We know Sargeras destroyed a world soul because of the Old Gods living on his surface.
If the Old Gods were directly flung to Azeroth, a lot of them missed.
Also side note and another reason why WoD is the most disappointing expansion. Blizzard could’ve done a patch where the Old God that tried to get summoned to Draenor but was stopped by Gul’dan had his AU counterpart get summoned fully to AU Draenor. Not only would it be a call back to the MU but also Cho’galls dialogue during the Mythic Mar’gok encounter.
It’s possible that the Void Lords didn’t know where exactly Azeroth was, so they created a bunch of old gods into the great dark hoping some of them would land there.
Which 3 of them did eventually. Know if things went according to plan when the Old Gods started playing empire building is a entirely different discussion
It is also possible that the Void Lords did not know about Azeroth at all. Which I prefer tbh. Let it be a matter of RNG that four of their creations managed to land on the most powerful titan (within time). They knew of the Titans and what that power could do in their hands. But they were just as blind as the Titans were when it came to others. I mean Argus was not known to either party until Sargeras found the planet due to certain Eredar messing around with demons.
Four you mean
Y’shaarj
N’zoth
C’thun
Yogg-saron
Although it is important to note that Chronicles vol 1 does not state how many landed on Azeroth, just how many were there when Aggramar and co. found Azeroth. Meaning that there could’ve been a 5th Old God. G’huun was made after the ordering on accident.
Which is probably why Blizzard put in that ‘outlandish theory’ about Xal’atath (the entity) in the daggers lore section in the Priest order hall.
That’s certaintly a possibility. But I like to think the void lords knew about Azeroth and were simply playing a cosmic game of chess to see if any of their creations would land on azeroth.
It’s my fun little headcannon I’m keeping until we learn otherwise. Which we likely will with the upcoming World Soul saga
I usually prefer when schemers find something by accident and then try to capitalize on it. It is why I like how Savathun had no involvement with Osiris losing his ghost in the lead up to Destiny 2: Season of the Hunt. Savathun just saw a lightless Osiris and saw an opportunity to spy on the vanguard but also hide in plain sight from her sister, Xivu Arath. Whom was tasked by the Witness to kill her. Since Savathun had been undermining the Witness for a while now (since humanitys collapse, maybe even beforehand)
It actually makes them look like proper schemers then having the trope of “everything is according to plan” like Blizzard tried to do with Zovaal.
Bungie did do that with Queen Mara Sov, but with Forsaken, Season of the Lost and lately with Season of the Wish it is clear that Mara does not have a ‘grand plan’. She was winging it, trying to save face by saying, “all according to plan” and Savathun knew that.
I really wanna know what she is. And I really wanna know why she considers us a friend and why N’zoth was so into us that he named us his chosen and truly meant it and never had any desire to kill us.
The void is extremely invested in us. Much more so than the other cosmic. So much so that it doesn’t see us as an enemy.
Azshara’s motives are obvious. She’s a power chaser. Iridikrons motives are clear. He feels he has a score to settle with the titans. Neither of them care much about us at all. Azshara would love for us to serve her but only because she’s narcissism personified.
But the void. It cares about us in some weird friendly way. Whatever xal’s plans are they don’t involve murdering us or getting us out of the way. When she left us with N’zoth her final words were “shadows guide you friend. We will see each other again. I know it.” And it was very friendly the way she said it like she was glad to know she would see us again.
None of the cosmics are good or evil. They’re too different from us to be categorized the same way as us but the void is literally friendly to us and likes us. There’s something to that because all the others only pretend to care about us to serve their own agenda and when we no longer are tools we are irrelevant. But the void doesn’t see us that way or treat us that way. N’zoth was never going to force us to serve him. He wanted us to willingly be his servants and commanders
At least until he got tired of his “saviour” facade. The end of Ny’alotha has him mind control us before we broke free and blasted him to death with an Azerite beam of death.
The mind control was a last resort. We were you know…brutally murdering him. Defensive actions eventually become inevitable when someone is trying to murder you
At the end of the day he had an agenda he was insistent upon. But he only ever used MC on us when we became aggressive towards him. Every moment up until then it really felt like he was hoping we would see his point and be like “yeah ok it’s better than the alternative anyway(the maw)”
Are they though? We only assume this because it is something that we are told by who? Titan’s or titan influenced information…This could all just be another huge titan lie.
Look at many of those planets that are supposedly Void Corrupted and if you take another look you might want to reconsider as many of them look more like worlds infected with a SuperBloom… I.E Life running without bounds… The Vines etc. that’s all life they aren’t Tentacles they are Vines… Just something to think about…that things might not be as we are told and LIFE could have actually been the corruptor of many worlds before… Life Unchecked.
Life seems to consider us an annoyance and intruder, Death considered us “pitiful mortals”, Order sees us as useful tools but nothing more, Disorder cares about us as much as it cared for anything else (ie, it doesn’t), and Light seems to “love” us in the generic impersonal “god loves everyone” way.
The Void however? The Void is FASCINATED by us. The void has taken an active interest in not just mortals, but SPECIFIC mortals to the point that void entities like N’zoth and Xal’atath openly play favourites with certain mortals, one of which happens to be the Player.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that we seem to be able to do things that we shouldn’t when it comes to the void. We don’t seem to be badly affected by its whispers, we can shrug off its corruption like it was nothing, shadow priests and warlocks can just use it with little ill effect, things like Shadowflame don’t do anything NEAR as bad as what happens when other entities touch it even slightly, we can literally just say “nah, no thanks” to FREAKING N’ZOTH’S GIFT.
We clearly mean SOMETHING to the Void, someone, possibly multiple entities in there, want us, specifically US, alive and sane.
The Everbloom on Draenor is described in a similar way to the Old Gods. It’s undeniable that there’s a connection. There’s also a connection between Decay, fungus and spores and Life. I think that’s why in the new Cosmic chart they moved Life to be connected to Shadow and Disorder istead of between Order and Light.
