Tl;dr: heroic raid and mythic pluss 11 is not equal in difficulty so why do they give the same crests.
Wyrm crests drop in m+ 11-15 and heroic raid. Is heroic raid and mythic plus 11 equal in difficulty? Personally I don’t think so. You can be overgeared and spam 11 keys and time every time and get fully geared out while raiders can only kill a boss once and get less crest fragments. It’s not a fair system.
But raiders get tier right? Well who cares, when the catalyst comes out why even enter a raid at that point.
If +11s are so easy, why aren’t the raiders just pounding them out for the crests in between raids? It’s a tiny tiny time investment compared to raiding, and would help supplement the raid gear. That’s my issue with this argument.
“Oh raids are so hard, and we only get xxx stuff every week, while you dungeon guys get M+, it’s so easy and you can just spam them”.
Soooo. . . .do it?
*edit: And you’re lvl 10, sooo, go level up!
*edit 2: And, the trinkets in the dungeons suck, why do raiders get good trinkets? That’s not fair!
Do both then. Heroic raid and 11s are both braindead easy to get through-- but the raid drops better gear than 11s with a higher upgrade track.
I’m unsure what exactly the “problem” is here though. If you somehow still need wyrm crests over a month in, you’d think having easy access to more of them would be a good thing.
We did and we hated every second of it. By week 3 I had 441-447 in every slot though so thankfully I was done with the crest system and didn’t need to do it anymore. Still had to run like 14 +11 keys despite starting week 1 doing 17-20s.
I could get behind Echo and Sark giving Aspect crests on heroic. They’re about equal to a 20 Underrot in difficulty. The rest of them are pretty much on par with around 13-15 keys.
Ratio of tanks from raid to m+ is one. Lack of leadership when it’s time to take the lead, getting a group together could be another.
We have a handful of m+ enthusiasts in my guild, we already do enough keys, I don’t want to also have to hand hold in extra keys which I may or may not need anymore.
Yeah I wish catalyst would have come out sooner, although I appreciate the achievement piece we got.
To date I’ve only gotten one tier piece out of the vault.
That 4 piece is going to be a big throughout increase for me in m+ on my arms warrior because it’s aoe focused. I’m almost full 437/441 now though so when catalyst is out I’ll be close to shelving the character. Just poor system timing imho.
do you enjoy it? if so, then head on in. if not, then why are you doing it at all?
wyrm crests lose their utility pretty quickly if you are really gearing up through mythic spam. My main is sitting at 430 ilevel right now and i am feeling starved for flightstones to upgrade the last of my champion gear.
at that point, I will need aspect crests which are m16+ or mythic raids. I don’t have the time dedicate to a fixed raid night, so I will be trying to work my way up to m16s. I am currently 2k rating on my main, but that is all 13/14s timed with one 15. I have some work to do to get to 16s.
FYI: there is a big difference between M11s and m15s. it is much less the ezpz cakewalk than one might think if they have only done single digit mythics.
…and if you’re running with a guild you shouldn’t have to wait too extraordinarily long before getting some loot.
Meanwhile, in m+, you can run UR 34 times and never see your trinket.