As we are all well aware, Windwalker is a bit strong in PvP to put it mildly. If I am being completely objective, we NEED a nerf to our damage.
The problem arises when our damage is 90% of our comp viability most of the time since there has been no major change to the way we scale. Versatility leads our lives and this means when you’re strong you’re TOO strong, and when you’re weak you’re TOO weak.
I saw this coming from a mile away having mained WW for 8 years now, and I like to make and hear peoples point of view, and predict what the nerfs will be and where they lead us.
The majority of buffs coming into Shadowlands were PvE related, our damage was buffed to make way for better raiding capabilities, this had a direct impact on PvP, blowing our damage way out of proportion.
For the above reasons, I think the nerfs will either be PvP related, and legendary related. my prediction is an adjusted tooltip for RSK damage specifically for rated content, and a nerf to both invokers delight and Keefers skyreach legendaries.
The only thing I dont want, is a flat % damage decrease to the spec, this would really suck, and never resulted in a healthy outcome for the spec.
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Whilst probable, WW does not need to be nerfed. Other classes have been similarly strong, if not actually stronger for longer periods of time.
Plus, WW is not even a clear outlier. Arms and sub are both similarly highly effective in pvp.
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If they fix the SEF FOF canceling it would enough to bring them down a bit.
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Oh sure nerf monks after 1 month of being strong.
Meanwhile 9.3 happened.
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It is just about as much an outlier as Arms.
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If i had to guess, Weapons of Order or the Pelagos Conduit buff might take a hit if they were gonna hit something. Or the SEF Conduit might take a hit if they were to touch WW. They might also touch Keefer’s.
If they touch RSK/FoF, there goes our sustained as well as much more survivable burst. As I see it, WW can bring the pain, but nothing has really changed. As I’ve repeatedly said in other threads, SL WW just doubled down on our strengths and weaknesses and we got nothing else. I’d be disappointed if we weren’t wrecking people with our burst if Blizz basically forced us into doubling down on it.
I can see why Blizz would nerf WW. However, we’re the same and about as easily countered as we were before whereas some of the other outliers didn’t have the playbook they do now.
TL;DR: Nothing has really changed. So long as we’re not bursting through Bubble/Block/Evasion/Immunities, I don’t think we’re too out of hand. Actually, scratch that. I don’t think screwing over Immunity classes and rogues would be that bad, so I’d like to change my statement to “So long as we aren’t immune to CC during our burst (like some other specs I could name), I think we’re fine.”
Debatable. Arms actually got new stuff with SL Covenants. They got some armor ignore with Venthyr because Condemn is shadow, and they got a vortex that you can’t run out of with Kyrian.
Condemn is trash in PvP. It replaces an ability instead of giving you something new and opens you up to not only being evaded but magic resisted as well.
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We won’t get nerfed.
Simple as that. We are probably the most balanced class right now
It’s easy to avoid our damage
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Yeah between being kicked/incapped/sweeped it is so easy.
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Says the warrior who can walk through all of it
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I never said anything about warriors. What about the other classes?
Me playing a warrior has nothing do with other peoples’ experience and how other classes deal with Monk. Try doing anything as a caster vs a WW.
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Yeah casters definitely can’t do anything!
WW Damage % in Nathria is a bit of a outlier due to its small population size. Its the same reason that Survival Hunter is higher on those charts then other classes - when a class has a smaller population size those players who are dedicated to that class are able to raise their placement by themselves.
Our damage in BG’s is mostly just due to the fact that people doing BG’s back to back are just players that need the 184, meaning that they are probably 170ish. Obviously if you have Mythic+, Conquest or even just Normal Nathria gear your RSK’s are going to be doing a lot on them.
I don’t know if its as simple as saying “Wind Walker is 6th highest DPS in Nathria, lets nerf them.”.
( I don’t know if Blizzard intends to nerf legendaries, it would lead to a real ‘feel bad’ moment since you often invest 100k+ gold into the more expensive ones. )
If they nerf WW i’m done. lol
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Your forum Avatar is god-like.
Praise be Chibii!
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Wouldn’t shock me if they did nerf WW in some way either due to PvP or PvE and us being stronger.
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If ww gets nerfed I would delete my monk forever. Iv been playing monk since it came out and enough is enough. If you nerf them in pvp this class is worthless. All three specs will be bottom tier, very nice, thanks guys.
Meanwhile every other class has a spec that is king of the crop. Monk needs to be deleted from the game. Just delete our class, it doesn’t deserve the treatment it has been getting (i mean not getting)
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I see defining problems in the core class kit.
I am fine with them shifting away damage but put it into our defensives aka Karma and Wall.
Literally no one cares if you press these buttons. I don’t believe this is intended and good design.
Make Karma 100% HP shield
Wall to 2 minutes and make it 20/20% again.
With it nerf slightly the damage of RSK and tune Dance of chi-ji proocs in PvP as well as nerfing Xuen would take a good step balancing WW, without flat decreasing them
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Not really. There are classes far worse than Windwalkers at the moment. I can name many right now, MM hutner damage, fire mage, sub rogues damage is more out of this world than WW monks. Instead of nerfing all these many classes they should buff others that are struggling. But I don’t agree with your assessment that it should be nerfed. Especially, since WW monks are finally shining in PVE raiding/Mythics+ which is a first time in a long time.
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