I am le sad 
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But are you le surprised?
Edit: As someone who raids Mythic though, I can feel the damage discrepancy. Even though i get the crappy raid jobs like pillar duty for Wrathion, saccing most of lust on Xanesh and being the first orb group or being told to tunnel Vex and leave the adds to casters/DHs, i get the sense that i lag behind.
And before someone says it because i know someone will just based on who responded to the OP. I understand that our damage is tied/balanced to our CDs and ToD. However, I ask that you understand that Blizz has the option of just not caring and giving us more damage anyway and letting us have strong burst and sustained. We wouldnât be the first spec to have that. In fact iâm sure we can all think of a few specs on live that wonât be touched at all that can accomplish that.
And again, before someone says it because i know someone will based on who responded to the OP. No i donât think this will throw PvP out of whack because A. Damage buff isnât something like getting our kit (FoF stun, nimble brew, shorter para cd, etc) back and B. Blizz has the option of letting such changes not affect PvP. Though, i canât imagine why theyâd do that because of A and there are worse than us out in the meta right now.
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dont worry, Warlocks just got the mana cost of their spells reduced because they struggle at high haste. now you can safely switch
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legit spittaked. nice joke.
Itâs almost as if Warlock has an ability to restore mana⌠Oh wait it was pruned from the game.
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We have had problems with haste lvls affecting our ability to use our attacks all xpac and it was never addressed, yet âpoor locksâ are going oom because of their tremendous haste lvls.
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You are doing something wrong then because I top charts all the time or am 2nd or 3rd from the top. You canât just mash buttons. YOu have to use your mastery: hit combo to your advantage and gear right.
I recommend peak of serenity website under PVE. Good source for boosting your dps.
I mean I beat people all the time, but I am doing 95+ parses and they are keeping up doing 50-70.
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I think its more like people around YOU are doing something wrong lol. There is no reason a WW should ever top dmg charts in current content.
This part is the for the OP:
WW is not the highest in raids right now, but it still works mostly. I think WW is like 3rd from the bottom. Only dps classes that have it worse are Sub rogue and surv hunter. WW is usually not very good at the end of an expansion due to how this spec scales. Antorus was an exception, and even at that, WW was good, not great.
It took me awhile to figure this out. WW and MW are never great in raids. We are always underbalanced and will continue to be so in the future. I donât see Blizzard ever changing this as well. Monk is an underrepresented class. Blizzard knows this and they tend to ignore the class.
Get used to being last in raiding. You gotta like the fantasy of the class to play it.
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I think itâs hard for them to make WW a top-tier DPS when BRM has and for the most part been a top-tier tank for the last several xpacs. I know Warrior has both now, but we also have a healing spec that has been in the top too.
I guess what Iâm saying is that it canât all be great. Who loses?
The concept of being unable to balance because another spec within the class is desirable, is a meme. It suggests that specs are tuned around class utility or shared class abilities which is flat out wrong.
Iâm sure a bunch of people will hop in here like clowns and start talking about mystic touch or âall monk specs bring ring of peaceâ.
None of that is relevant to DPS tuning at all.
There is a point where comp > class and that is unavoidable.
There is a point where the state of classes at the start, middle, end of a tier are in wildly varying states, and that is unavoidable.
It is not hard for them to do anything they choose not to because everything is playable and the aggregated data you see on WCL is not a great representation of class balance. It can help identify outliers but itâs way to generalized and the simplistic overview is not going to tell you anything more than x and y did damage relative to z.
Even comments like this are not entirely accurate because the data your seeing does not represent the group your in, very often.
Right now with everyone having practiced fight execution, aquired multiple gear sets, and have had enough vendor rotations / corruption cap raises / and other systems present are the only reason that narratives like this exist.
Hey, so I felt I did pretty good throughout mid-heroic level Nya as well. I was the same as you, usually top 3 dps for most fights (except Wrathion⌠I donât even know there >.<). However, as gear as continued to scale, Iâve noticed myself getting left further and further behind.
On single target fights, if I play my damn heart out, I can still do ok. If I anything interrupts my flow (I drop hit combo, I have to move for a mechanic, I donât crit the right amount, etcâŚ) Iâm severely punished for it. When this happens, our fire mages, rogues, DH, and arms warriors shoot past me and I have a heck of a time regaining any ground.
WW is a really rewarding spec when played *perfectly*, but itâs extremely unforgiving and doesnât seem to scale well.
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Yeah when you have to do 95+ to stay competitive with 60âs thatâs a problem.
Some people like to make narratives to make things easier to accept sometimes.
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By that logic why hasnât Warrior and DH been nerfed to oblivion and back for having some of the best raid cdâs in the game?
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Because utility has no bearing on DPS
Iâm not sure what you mean.
Apologies if Iâm misreading, but at least as far as Monks and DH go, we do seem to have comparable utility. We both have interrupts, we both have an AoE stun, we both have an instant cast, ranged CC on a CD. Monks have Ring of Peace (which I freaking love), but DH also has an offensive dispel.
Personally I would argue that RoP is one of the best utility abilities in the game, but Iâd say both classes are chalk full of utility 
RiP warriors though⌠
Our healing spec is garbage in raiding though. Our healing spec has never been great in raiding as well. The only tier MW was balanced is BRF. literally, MW is never balanced like a holy priest or druid. We are always behind. Go look at past logs.
You people need to stop making these baseless claims without any evidence to backup.
Fix WW and MW blizzard. We donât deserve to be F tier every raid.
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It is beyond absurd to say they both have comparable utility when DH has Netherwalk, Darkness which is a freaking damn good raid cd, and a full immunity with Meta.
Ring of Peace is legit useless on pretty much every fight that doesnât require insane add management.
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Oh I forgot about Darkness. I never really considered Meta a utility spell⌠I guess? I just think of it as their version of our ToD/ToK combo haha.
As for RoP, I dunno, Iâve found it incredibly useful in any M+ Iâve ever done. I basically have it on CD for the entire run because itâs so useful. Especially when mitigating M+ affixes haha.
Iâve found it less useful in raids, but there are still opportunities. For example, itâs really good at dealing with those adds that spawn in a line on Skitra. We donât have a druid who can do it at the moment, so I use RoP to boop the adds to the side and make a clear path for people to stand. Itâs worked out rather well.
Anyway, itâs not my intent to get into an argument on whose CDs are better. I was just pointing out that we have some pretty good utility if you choose to use it, and RoP can be a large part of that
Let me put it this way. Imagine if WW could pop SeF and in that small time frame the clones are summoned we were immune to all damage. This is how meta works and because of this you can completely ignore certain mechanics that would otherwise require several people to soak. Stuff like this is huge on bosses like mythic NâZoth for example.
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