I like to play an all around character, and like that as a dps i can throw out somw heals, but vivify barely cuts it. Any chance we can get an extra heal that uses 1 chi or something? Anyone else have any thoughts on this issue?
reverse harm m8
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Something base kit would be nice, and not requiring using the pvp essence when it comes out.
Vivify sucks. Grab Reverse Harm. I understand that you may not want to use up the talent slot, but WW’s PvP talents are pretty crap outside of like 2 or 3 (depending on who you ask) anyway.
That said, talenting Ascendence makes Vivify marginally less crap.
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It would be nice if Reverse Harm were baseline again.
I think Chi Wave also heals but I can’t remember as I don’t typically use it.
As for Vivify, I generally think it’s mostly fine. It would be nice if it had a slight buff or a small accompanying HoT but I suspect it isn’t really meant for use under duress.
Admittedly I most just play solo content with Monks so my opinion is likely skewed as a result.
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Reverse Harm also uses energy. I would like a heal that used chi, and would be worth using a chi
I suppose that could be nice. It might add some choice making into the playstyle.
The thing is reverse harm will be very good because it works off the hit combo/mastery. It’s a stronger/cheaper chi generator than tiger palm. And bonus you can increase your overall dmg by throwing it at the tank to max dmg potential since it’s base on 8% of targets health, which for me is about 20k. So that is 2 ch, part of mastery rotation, that cost 40 energy for 20k dmg. My tigerpalm doesn’t even crit near that high and costs 50 energy.
You could even then stop using WT and go ascension since you can replace reverse harm with WT in the rotation.
But the other reason this will be a must have is because it will give us some much needed sustainability in pve. Yes it should just be a baseline talent, but i will take what I can get
Idk man, I get RH and turbo are really good but saying the rest suck is str8 wrong. Grapple, fort, alpha, ride, even DR can be strong given the situation.
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Fort Brew and Alpha Tiger are also pretty strong options, the rest (unless it comes from a purely PvP perspective) don’t have much use.
Even then though you could argue a defensive option as a major essence probably does you more harm than good. Least from a PvE perspective.
If we were to throw away the PvE notion and just look at it from the PvP side, there are a lot of potentially great options.
Yes PvP only.
I did say depending on who you ask. I think ride, fort, turbo, etc are crap because they were all baseline to the spec before. Heck, even medallion was baseline to our spec in the form of Nimble Brew. I think Alpha Tiger is a nice generalist kind of PvP talent, but is outshined by other PvP talents like Expel harm, turbo, and fort brew because they were once baseline to the spec and as such are rather integral to PvP.
That makes no sense. Just because something was baseline in the past and make into a PvP talent, doesnt mean the PvP talent version is “crap.”
Pretty damn close to all WW PvP talents are potentially strong in PvP.
Reverse Harm is 100% essential, regardless of situation, so making the essential an essence was a good call by Blizzard.
Fortifying Brew is incredibly strong for WW. It not only has strong synergy with Reverse Harm, but also Touch of Death.
Turbo Fists in incredibly strong both offensively and defensively vs melee.
With RH going essence, WW will now be able to pick up Grapple Weapon to counter certain melee, alpha tiger to crush pet classes, wind waker to prevent being kited by mages, etc
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I don’t disagree that it has potentially strong synergy with our other abilities. However, by virtue of it being baseline before, it’s mere existence as a PvP talent takes up space/potential for a PvP talent yet to be created that could probably be stronger. That and the fact that we can only choose 3 PvP talents, which are likely going to be Turbo Fists, Expel Harm, and Grapple/Alpha Tiger is why i think it is crap. Sure we it might make it into our 3 default in 8.2 with Essences coming into play, but it will only have done so because there was a spot freed up.
In a similar vein, the reason why i think Turbo Fists is crap is because it’s just a nerfed version of FoF stun which also used to be baseline. In addition to that, Turbo Fist’s primary effect of being a 90% snare leaves room for a lot of counterplay against FoF now which takes away certainty from WW. It doesn’t help that the cleave portion of Turbo Fists used to be baseline as well. Similarly if Turbo Fists was just baseline to the spec, which would have very practical applications to PvE content as well, we would have room a new PvP talent that probably would add something to WW.
So in a sense, i think PvP talents are “crap” because their existence as PvP talents takes up space for something potentially better, and they are constant reminders to how much our spec gets tinkered with in ways that i honestly don’t think would fly if they were done to other specs.
Unless something changed in this xpac temp health boosts have never affected tod or karma
Turbofist would break pve, we already do great dmg. Reaping comes even without chi ji procs or xuen proc I can still bust out in the 130k range. With the highest I have ended with being in the 200k range with at least 1 xuen and a couple of chi ji.
I don’t think it would. Solely because we had it last xpac, and it was SCK that carried our cleave hard. Don’t get me wrong, FoF still cleaved well, but SCK blew it away when stacks got high.
Also, are you burning SEF charges on reaping when you pulled numbers that high?
I only use SeF on reaping or bosses for the most part. And on regular packs i dont even have to use sef to be top. Also last xpac we didn’t have something like open palm strikes. If bg score boards are any indicator when I am sitting with 2 or 3m more dmg than the next highest, then having that cleave in pve would pretty much seal no one would be able to beat the aoe monks already do in pve.
Why would you not use SEF on trash? Especially during big pulls.
We kind of did in the form of Transfer the Power. No chi return (though we did have leggo boots), but we did get the damage increase.
That seems optimistic. I don’t think FoF cleave in PvE would push us too far.
it’s not optimistic. Notice how I said, and you are choosing to ignore, that on bg score boards I am sitting on the top with the next highest being 2 or 3 mil lower than me on the board. And I don’t do bgs with pocket healers so it’s not because I am just running into groups and just spamming aoe. Fof sometimes makes up 40% of my overall dmg in bgs, and I am talking the reg not epic ones. On epic ones it’s even crazier sometimes.
And the reason I dont sef on most packs is because if I do on reg trash and reaping sef i sometimes don’t have a boss sef. And again I am already beating the other dps without it.