Why doesn’t haste reduce our GCD?
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Pretty sure we have the fastest gcd baseline
But it could be faster
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I think we’re on the same GCD as rogue/feral. Fast relative to the rest of the game. However, slow is still slow. And for the martial artist class/spec 1 second is extremely slow.
I don’t really know what gameplay benefit we could expect from a change like that. Lots of unintended effects probably would happen. Off the top of my head…
Spinning Crane Kick is baseline 1.5 channel, you can haste it to match your GCD, but hypothetically if GCD were hasted as well you run into a situation where it would be possible and likely you hit the games GCD floor of .75 and you start queueing abilities accidentally that interrupt your Fists of Fury, Spinning Crane Kick, etc.
There is also the flow of the class itself. Haste does not generate as much resources as it would for another class/spec so you will just frontload your expenditure with no real rate of return and get stuck with downtime.
The intention of my question was not to make us stack haste. Rather, it was to find ways for us to benefit from blust more.
I think reducing the cost of tiger palm to 25 energy or just making it free would make the WW rotation flow feels so much better instead of making haste a better stats for us, because we could be doing tiger palm > bok back in forth instead of periods of doing nothing because u cant use BoK again and u dont have enough energy for another tiger palm while chi burst/expel harm/white tiger fist/wdp are on cd.
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I think bloodlust benefit is subjective. If it weren’t valuable then as a crude comparison, Invokers wouldn’t be as strong as it is. Seeing WW peak at 75-80k DPS while easily hitting the 50k mark in smaller ones, while still being target capped, during bloodlusted pulls in M+ while also capping on resources really makes it hard to get “more” value out of the ability.
GCD could be lower but you wouldn’t be spending them since your still going for a controlled approach with MoTC, can’t channel over a channel (sck), and wouldn’t hit anything else to delay the GCD before your next SCK anyway. Resources might come in faster but as things are right now you wouldn’t even be spending them in some situations.
It would make more sense to ensure that Bloodlust is something that provides a tangible benefit to something rather than just trying to get more of nothing.
Xuen is probably filling that void at the moment being most of our bloodlust benefit outside of CDR and Empowered Tiger Lightning providing us extra damage when we’re able to dump those additional resources. Xuen in particular is probably the majority of our haste benefit to begin with.
You serious clark?
Yes. You can see these on the big lust pulls in Mists, DoS, and Spires of Ascension and as more people are upgrading to mythic item level I only imagine it’ll be more consistent.
I doubt it will go much higher for Necrolord since they don’t get anything else that is going to contribute greatly to it and if you switch to fleshcraft explosion you lose gemstone.
Kyrian will get some damage at 55/57 and move into that lower end possibly but not much more as well but don’t @ me.
Necrolord peaks higher on AoE and Kyrian does a bit more on ST either way.
Another place to look at some of the current ridiculousness is Soulrender when you have two brands stacked up on adds causing them to take 50% more damage per brand (I’m not sure if it’s additive or not) but the the point of what I said it is that you are, or potentially could be, casting WDP → SCK → SCK → SCK and ignoring mastery, resources, and not really caring about the GCD and with lust/invokers this only becomes more true. When your thinking about “What could lust do for me here” it’s not just about finding ways to match what other classes are doing.
I chose these two because they were specifically without bloodlust.
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What is gemstone?
And what about not even using wdp since spinning crane wrecks so hard and go with the talent that reduced the cd on sef?
18% crit when you bonedust brew as long as you don’t trigger it prior because it has a 1m ICD. Xuen is more than enough to proc all 10 stacks to trigger the buff on AoE since all of his cleave damage, from what I could see anyway, is also triggering it on crits.
J-funk tried this in M+ and said it sucked so idk
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True. However, I feel like it could do more. The CDR is nice, but doesn’t feel like it’s enough. Giving haste more of an effect on our CDR would go so far, and so would reducing GCD with haste.
Is this from Necrolord because I usually only crank out about 30k-40k on good pulls with DoCJ procs.
The thing with Xuen is that he’s more of what most WWs did not want in that he’s more pet AI. I can’t get behind that on principle alone.
Necrolord is higher but Kyrian can go way above 40k.
I personally like Xuen. I probably wouldn’t advocate for or against. The current celestials for the 3 specs I think are pretty cool.
I feel like an Avatar form would be better. Just have it do everything Xuen/the Celestials do, just without the actual Celestials. It would be interesting to see TP become a 40 yard (or however long Xuen’s leap is) teleport and have RSK cleave and apply the ToD damage stacking effect.
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The leap I probably wouldn’t care too much for. RSK cleave would be cool but the current SCK iteration is probably my favorite outside of WoD RJW / SCK and that is much more interesting than just RSK cleave.
There wouldn’t be any functional change between Tiger Lightning & Discharge vs. RSK cleave and ToD amp. To me that just seems more like a spiritual warrior rather than anything similar to a martial artist.
Maybe we fix some of the A.I issues but ultimately that wouldn’t feel like Monk to me anymore. It would just be roll to target → sweeping strikes → RSK
Just for the duration of Avatar form. As for this xpac’s SCK. It’s ok. I despise that it’s so reliant on DoCJ whereas before we could pull the same numbers with half the CDs and not needing a talent.
That’s a fair take. However, throwing off a pissed off cat at whatever I’m attacking every two minutes doesn’t feel very martial artist either.
I miss 5.4 rjw and honestly liked 8.0 rjw and was really wanting to see what it would have been like with high haste levels
I wouldn’t want to have the leap at all. The amount of times the similar anima power from torghast has gotten me killed due to being tied to our resource generator is one to many. I can only imagine how irritating it would be if something like it got a longer range.
I’m okay with the way SCK currently is but since tab targeting can be a pain at times, I can’t imagine how it would feel if they ended up replacing SEF with something else that didn’t allow us to gain stacks quickly in a clump of enemies (tab targeting is iffy for me where times it will cycle through the same 3 enemies a couple of times, or prioritize enemies much farther away). I miss the version of RJW that used our energy instead of chi.
A RSK cleave with a ToD amp would still sort of be monk like just oriented towards infusing your attacks with chi when empowered to cause them to take extra damage or something. If anything the use of the celestials in physical form seems way more spiritual than just having them as a empowered stance or the like.
Arguable I sort of think the AI for Xuen isn’t really that bad outside of the times when it’s ability to move from enemy to enemy could be quicker, at least compared to how the clones of SEF like to act at times (I still have times where they will act weird and or seemingly pull a group of mobs).
The green dude post is full of it. No idea what hes saying. Stop spitting out random numbers and talking out your ars. Yo have zero knowledge of what youre saying