Wtf is up with the Frost Mage nerfs?

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Hey Blizzard, the least you can do is buy me dinner before you decide to !@#$ me.

Seriously I've been defending BFA since launch, but this is unacceptable. Frost mage a are literally being gutted in 8.1 to the point where I might not even play my mage anymore. I'm not a fan of Fire nor Arcane, so I see no reason to continue playing a class that just got beat down to death.

Here's a genius idea, how about instead of shredding any given op class, you BUFF the underperforning ones? I know it's crazy right?

Arms warriors also got hit hard..

If they come for Subtlety Rogues next, I'm done.

Seriously pissed.
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Class identity is a thing Blizzard Entertainment hates anymore.

Guess what Frost Mages' identity is in recent years? Big AOE, and strong single-target burst-nuking, and when it comes to PvP, they're unreachable and possess numerous slows.

Guess what they're losing?
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11/02/2018 10:06 AMPosted by Tykho
Hey Blizzard, the least you can do is buy me dinner before you decide to !@#$ me.

Seriously I've been defending BFA since launch, but this is unacceptable. Frost mage a are literally being gutted in 8.1 to the point where I might not even play my mage anymore. I'm not a fan of Fire nor Arcane, so I see no reason to continue playing a class that just got beat down to death.

Here's a genius idea, how about instead of shredding any given op class, you BUFF the underperforning ones? I know it's crazy right?

Arms warriors also got hit hard..

If they come for Subtlety Rogues next, I'm done


Frost is getting an overall damage buff, to everything except mass AoE (6+ target)

Blizzard is nerfing mass AoE, specifically burst mass AoE, across the board right now on the ptr. WW, havoc, Frost and Frost, and arms. The patch is still over a month out, changes are being made regularly, and some nerfs are being reverted, more nerfs made, etc.

Take it down like four notches, mate.
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11/02/2018 10:23 AMPosted by Drezwazluz
specifically burst mass AoE, across the board right now on the ptr. WW, havoc,


Incorrect. They already stated they are reverting some of those, just nothing for Frost Mages which is the kiting spec since forever and shouldn't be getting gutted particularly there because of one niche piece of content. (Looking at you MDI.)

11/01/2018 11:23 AMPosted by Lore
10/31/2018 03:34 PMPosted by Graille
Most of the classes that are capable of strong burst AOE saw similar nerfs in the latest patch notes. So it's not so much a WW nerf as it is a nerf to AOE Burst DPS in general. WW actually didn't get it nearly as bad as a lot of other classes did.

We've actually reverted several of these changes (and similar ones for Frost Death Knight, Havoc Demon Hunter, and Arms Warrior) in the next PTR update. Those specs should be among the best at burst AOE, but we believe they're currently ahead of everyone else by a little too much. We want to take a little more time to collect data before making changes along those lines, though.
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this is wow you need 4+ different dps specs to efficiently counter blizzard's nerf game.

i think they love boost money, too much.
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11/02/2018 10:06 AMPosted by Tykho
Hey Blizzard, the least you can do is buy me dinner before you decide to !@#$ me.

Seriously I've been defending BFA since launch, but this is unacceptable. Frost mage a are literally being gutted in 8.1 to the point where I might not even play my mage anymore. I'm not a fan of Fire nor Arcane, so I see no reason to continue playing a class that just got beat down to death.

Here's a genius idea, how about instead of shredding any given op class, you BUFF the underperforning ones? I know it's crazy right?

Arms warriors also got hit hard..

If they come for Subtlety Rogues next, I'm done.

Seriously pissed.


Look on the bright side: You still won't be as bad as demo locks.
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Good good these nerfs are indirect shaman buffs.
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11/02/2018 10:27 AMPosted by Tekbm
this is wow you need 4+ different dps specs to efficiently counter blizzard's nerf game.

i think they love boost money, too much.
Or you can just unsub until 8.3 when all the classes are OP and all the catch-up mechanics are fully implemented.

I’m starting to understand that this is the optimum way to play WoW.
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Those nerfs were straight up cold.

...Okay I’ll leave now..
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11/02/2018 10:36 AMPosted by Thundris
Good good these nerfs are indirect shaman buffs.


With that mindset eventually you will be nerfed to "indirectly buff" another class too. When does this end? Do you really want "in direct buffs" or do you want to get actual buffs?
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11/02/2018 10:36 AMPosted by Thundris
Good good these nerfs are indirect shaman buffs.

Have a like. You've earned it
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11/02/2018 10:38 AMPosted by Zeropointt
I’m starting to understand that this is the optimum way to play WoW.


If you wait until Christmas to upgrade you'll also get the expansion 1/2 price!
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Let's see...

Nerf to insane aoe and aoe snares which is a major reason frost mages are very powerful in mythic+

A wash for single target with the global damage buff.

Will still absolutely be strong in mythic+ and PvP after nerfs and still mid pack (where every spec should aim to be right?) for mythic raids.

So...?
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I'm not sure I can stomach that version of Frost, imo we need to have a version that outputs significantly less damage but has controlling effects that are more powerful. (I can deal with that.) I personally think it's fun to use controlling effects in dungeons, it's too bad that other classes cannot be given similar effects to balance things out instead.
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11/02/2018 10:23 AMPosted by Drezwazluz
11/02/2018 10:06 AMPosted by Tykho
Hey Blizzard, the least you can do is buy me dinner before you decide to !@#$ me.

Seriously I've been defending BFA since launch, but this is unacceptable. Frost mage a are literally being gutted in 8.1 to the point where I might not even play my mage anymore. I'm not a fan of Fire nor Arcane, so I see no reason to continue playing a class that just got beat down to death.

Here's a genius idea, how about instead of shredding any given op class, you BUFF the underperforning ones? I know it's crazy right?

Arms warriors also got hit hard..

If they come for Subtlety Rogues next, I'm done


Frost is getting an overall damage buff, to everything except mass AoE (6+ target)

Blizzard is nerfing mass AoE, specifically burst mass AoE, across the board right now on the ptr. WW, havoc, Frost and Frost, and arms. The patch is still over a month out, changes are being made regularly, and some nerfs are being reverted, more nerfs made, etc.

Take it down like four notches, mate.


I notice how the only people attempting to argue that frost isn't getting nerfed or that the nerfs are ok are all refusing to post on their mains.

Nerfing our best ability and the single target talent for it's row is not a buff to us.

We aren't op. We're middle of the pack.

11/02/2018 10:33 AMPosted by Ollin
Look on the bright side: You still won't be as bad as demo locks.


Demo locks also have the option to go to the strongest ranged specs in the game if they so choose. Frost is losing the stuff that makes it great for groups and leaving us with 2 options that are average to below average.

Not really the best analogy here.
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i've had one of every class for 3 expansions now. my mage was always the last one i've leveled because it's such a pain in the butt. heck, i used one of my free boosts on my mage just to get him +10 levels because i just couldn't bring myself to do it. but this expansion it was an absolute blast to level as Frost, and chain run Timewalking dungeons. seriously the most fun i've had in a long time. so now of course they're nerfing them. screw you, Blizz. people want to have fun. if some classes/specs are "too fun" compared to the others, then bring the others UP, don't drag the fun ones DOWN. if we're having fun, we resub! if we're not, we leave. simple as that.
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real nerfs were our slows..plz do tell us if frost is getting 50 oercent armor or healing.
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I'll still be Frost, when whatever is better.

And now.... I'm an Orc!

Wahoo!

(Yes, I know, I'm probably in the bottom half of folks to unlock the Mag'har; do not care)