Whys a 6 second ranged stun lower cooldown than Kidney shot? You could double the cooldown of Hoj, completely remove judgement dispell and Ret would still be mega S tier. Stop dragging your feet devs.
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Hoj cd is not the reason why ret is beyond broken
Clueless post
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Ret could be C tier and you would still be a clown for trying to justify how quickly a Ret builds back its stun at the moment.
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hoj can be dispelled
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Most of the time it isn’t as short as kidney. Any amount of cc or peels drastically decreases the cdr of the ability.
Tbh, I was messing around on the alt. You can get hoj CD down to 15-17 secs if you have your CDs rolling. Its about 30 secs outside of CDs.
Dispel it?. I can you tell you guys don’t pvp much.
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Right, where’s that streamer that was crying about nerf kidney. Oh wait he has a ret on his team. Guess that 20 sec stun isn’t a big deal no more.
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I didn’t know kidney shot could be dispelled, are y’all like 1100 hardstuck or something it takes .2 seconds to dispel a HOJ. You clowns are so hell bent on making ret trash you can’t even learn how to play against it and now you’re crying about the dispellable stun??.
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Just a thought what if you dont own a dispell
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same cd as wings apparently … like 15s or so
I don’t know how many times I’ve seen a healer get 100-0’ed in HoJ now. Definitely part of the problem
I mean it might feel troll but it’s really not.
Ret’s kill potential has nothing to do with why the spec is dumb… however once again the 1200 forum goer’s miss the entire point of what dumb about them and only ever see damage
Antiquated honor talents that are now broken with the rework (judgement of the pure), 1 minute sac with sanc, lay on hands, instant flashes, and still WoGs in their back pocket if they need it is actually so cracked.
The ability that this spec has to single-handedly carry their team defensively is embarassing from a balance perspective.
Ret has become one of the worse kill targets in the game but their existence makes it nigh impossible for their teammates to die.
Are you somehow running a 3v3 without a magic dispel? That would be seriously impressive.
Yeah they over nerfing ret just to make crybabies happy, its not right.
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Last patch when they were squishy it was not as much of an issue but this patch they are way more tanky have double the defensives and offheals and got magic bop 
Everyone is parroting about Judgement Dispel and how it’s breaking entire specs but it’s really not the only outlier in all this mess. You may want to discredit what you call 1200 forum goers but keep in mind that represents about 80% of players (if not more)
It 100% is. When a class such as Ret can ignore all game mechanics such as stacking defensives, it’s pretty problematic ESPECIALLY for lower tier players. Keep in mind that if you erase the lower end of the ladder, there’s not much fish left in the sea to feed your ego.
All in all I think they need another set of nerfs to both Offensive and Defensive power. Not just Judgements of the Pure.
First off get on your main and the have an opinion. Ret is broken and your thing is deal with it learned to play vs it broken our not lol. Gtfo.
They put this fancy new mechanics in the game called diminishing returns, so even if that big bad mean Ret has a reduced CD on his HoJ they are just playing themself by using it too often. I also dunno if you are getting it under 20s Kidney Shot, and like I point out above, probably not good for them either way.
I did my best to decode this because this was horrible English. I never said ret wasn’t strong bozo, I said learn to dispel. “GeT THE F OuT”