av is the only thing that is possible to play. @wowdevs please put in AI fillers or allow us to organize collaborative alli/horde premades for quick Q’s without win trade banning us.
I would rather the game mode be dead instead of it being filled with bots. I already played BGs with bots in wotlk classic, no thanks. Unfortunately, this is a player created problem, as no one wants to pvp for fun and they only care about “muh HPH”. The sad reality is if you want to play WSG or AB you need to play them on their respective BG weekends. Still not instant queues but at least there are 4~ games going compared to 0.
Nobody wants to deal with premades. People would rather NORF DORF for 500k honor for 4 weeks straight to get R14 gear than deal with premades.
And people hate the NORF DORF meta. Hate.
So whats that tell you about how much people despise even the thought, the possibility, of dealing with a premade.
We told you this would happen. And now it has and we are content with AB/WSG remaining permadead rather than ever even take the chance of dealing with a premade ever again.
You brought this upon yourselves.
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Give incentives to help increase participation for wsg/ab, you increase premades and no one wants that. I’d rather have zero wsg/ab games ever again than to deal with that crap lol.
There’s also the demographic who don’t want to play with morons and people who give up after losing the first fight at BS or mid field. It’s a compounded issue.
Regardless, nothing is ever going to change so long as losing is an acceptable way to rank up. Until winning is flat out the best way to progress it will ALWAYS be this way. Every server, one faction has the lose meta - or the meta that grants them better hph by just losing. Winning any bg should be 10 times more lucrative or even higher than that. Losing should matter, which will repel the afk players and throwers
Av is the meta because of this. You can rank up without pressing any buttons or just losing.
If that means the entire server doesn’t get r14 then great, that’s better for the game anyways and you will shut out people who actively sabotage their own games or don’t play their character
If you miraculously made winning any of the other BGs 20x better than “just giving up for a mark”, then the extra time spent will actually be lucrative. You can even award more honor per side depending on the score like sod did, but auto losing and AFKing should be shut off entirely. 0%
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Also people just give up instantly and yell premade when they could easily win if they just tried. Most premades are just trade chat pugs or not a premade at all (there are only 3 servers, a full team from 1 server is not uncommon, without them being a full premade). And before people say that premades need to be removed, that won’t do anything. They’ve tried this, twice (tbc classic and sod), and reverted it both times because it did more harm than good. The solo queue people just find something else to complain about and stop queueing anyways.
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Its what people want. They want premades forced to fight other premades exclusively.
Its that or AB/WSG stays dead. Pick your poison. You are not allowed to force PUGs to sign up to be farmed by Premades.
Either PUG v PUG + Premade V Premade only or Permadead AB/WSG. There are no third options.
I’m gonna say it again, they already tried this, twice, it doesn’t do what you think it does. It literally killed BGs more.
And im going to say it again: you dont have a third option.
You can either exclusively fight other premades, or AB and WSG can stay dead.
It wasn’t dead in 2019.
That’s primarily how I ranked.
I actually never stepped foot in av after exalted except to cap on an av weekend.
Once they removed the BG game numbers I was making more honor than people still in AV.
The br1 av crew were laughing at us because we were in WSG and AB ranking while they made 1million a week in AV. While we capped br3.
The week they removed BG numbers, everyone suddenly wanted to be our friends. That was a funny time period
The reason AV is flooded rn is because 500k is stupid ez to afk cap. It’s so low that losing doesn’t matter.
Why would you go to wsg or ab when you can just lose in AV for 3 days and be r14?
That’s the real reason
They tried that already. They reverted it
It would work better if there were separate reward structures like rbgs but I don’t think blizzard sees classic this way.
The best thing they can do is promote winning games and punish losing. 9/10 premades are bad anyways and can get rolled by pugs if there’s just a few decent people in there. This happens all the time but pugs give up instantly even vs pugs because losing gives you something
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