Wrath Classic Feedback and Decisions

[Kythskar-bloodsail-buccaneers]

Wrath is just the faceroll waiting room for Cata Classic.

[Evelýn-faerlina]

@Haraath-tichondrius

I mean i would argue retail players are just playing World of Warcraft

Well yes, but like there are classic-only players, there are retail-only players. Its likely classic-only people have no clue on retail mechanics or any preference regarding things like dragon riding, so it seemed weird to me for people to be excited over a gimmick. With how close dragonflight seems for that to be the most noteworthy content would indicate the expansion to be sorely lacking. New race models are so beyond unimaginative and ugly I cant see anyone being excited over them

[Haraath-tichondrius]

lmao… could you even imagine at this point

[Sparhawk-rexxar]

Thank you. While I don’t agree with everything, I know you are balancing it all the best you can. These updates are all I could ask for. Thank you.

[Oliax-incendius]

Will the shared unique-equipped between normal/heroic version will also work on rings? I think it probably should based on your justification, sometime doubling on the rings is bis, like double death choice, and its kinda toxic. So im really happy that youre making that change.

[Amashaman-malganis]

@Thrymyrden-stormrage

When offered the opportunity to optimize the fun out of a game, gamers will take advantage of that and ruin it for themselves. So yes, if the default version is a “click a button and speedrun the process”, people will use it. If they are forced to play the game as it was always intended, they will do that. And don’t pretend you won’t play Wrath and like it. Because you will.

Ok so what about just making servers that have RDF and servers that don’t have it enabled. That way you’ll have an entire server to yourself for you and ALL the players just like you who would rather PUG the old way. I mean does that seem fair? That way the RDF lovers and the PUG lovers both get what they want. It doesn’t negatively affect either group.

[Laserz-faerlina]

Thanks for the update and making some good changes regarding faction/race changes. Another hot topic I’ve seen is account to account transfers within the same Battle.net account. This feature was available ever since the original burning crusade. I would like to transfer characters out to other accounts to be able to play retail and classic at the same time. Is this something that you guys are implementing as well?

[Varíant-benediction]

Good on the faction changes. Also, wrath did not drop titles and achievements from 2v2.

[Kisstheabyss-windseeker]

@Violazar-earthfury

and now with faction changes this will be even worse!
I swear blizzard doesn’t care about faction balance

Blizzard knows they just lost ~60% of the playerbase to no RDF.
They announced race/faction change as to milk the remaining players.
“Have less players but milk them harder” has been Blizzard’s motto on Retail for years.

[Onikaroshi-mankrik]

@Kisstheabyss-windseeker

Blizzard knows they just lost ~60% of the playerbase to no RDF.

I’m pro-rdf, but that’s just delusional.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Pazorax-1880

We continue to iterate on the bulletin-board style Looking for Group tool, and we do not have plans to add the Random Dungeon Finder.

So doubling down on bad decisions as we have come to expect from the retail team.

@Pazorax-1880

For players, this has probably been the hottest topic of discussion since our announcement, and we welcome all the continuing feedback on how to improve the tool and make it better. I know this will be disappointing news for some, but we want to settle this topic before launch so everyone knows what to expect and can plan accordingly.

So make the LFG Tool fix the problems that LFD addressed.

The LFG Tool in Wrath Beta does nothing for people on low pop realms, it does nothing for people playing in off hours, it does nothing for low levels, it does nothing to make the experience of pugging as a dps better.

What changes will you be making to LFG tool to address those issues?

[Velarias-mankrik]

Lol they lost 175,000 players bc of no rdf??? Pls for the sake of everything holy go touch some grass.

[Haraath-tichondrius]

@Ziryus-pagle

So doubling down on bad decisions as we have come to expect from the retail team.

Sad part is the retail team is actually listening to feedback now

[Bleedingme-faerlina]

Still love ya bro.

[Violazar-earthfury]

Deffo, and it’s such a shame.
Fk they could even monetize RDF somehow and not ruin their game by breaking the balance.
I would pay them to not keep ruining the faction imbalance

[Velarias-mankrik]

Oddly bc of how popular vanilla and TbCC where with out wraths retail itterations

IRONY AT ITS FINEST

[Lychslap-cenarion-circle]

@Callmeßetty-jom-gabbar

How quick do you think they would add RDF if they could monetize?

50 RFD entrances for just $10 on the Blizzard Store now!

[Cosmoophile-mankrik]

@Pazorax-1880

Character-Based Mounts and Achievements

As before, we plan to have mounts and achievements be per-character, rather than on the account.

This originally came up in response to our plan to not include Race and Faction change, as a suggested alternative way for players to preserve their accomplishments when re-rolling. Since we’ve been convinced to allow Race and Faction change in an upcoming patch, we’re going to focus our efforts on that, and preserve the original Lich King behavior of keeping mounts and achievement associated with the character that earned them.

I would really like some insights into the thought process behind this decision.

Wrath Classic is going to feature so many more players on alts, and a great deal of people are excited about how achievements can enhance the collection aspect of the game. Limiting achievements and mounts to be character-specific doesn’t enhance anyone’s experience; it only makes the process of collecting achievements feel more tedious and less engaging.

Speaking for myself (though, I’d be willing to wager many people agree): It isn’t fun to feel like an achievement or mount I earn “doesn’t count” if it’s on an alt I just so happened to be playing, rather than my main I’ve been collecting on.

Really hope we see a change in philosophy here. I understand the idea that some things should be preserved, but collection in World of Warcraft is an activity that has evolved over time to feel more inviting and rewarding. Keeping achievements and mounts character-specific erases that progress.

I understand the team has limited resources, but I hope this is a change we can see added at some point in Wrath Classic.

[Haraath-tichondrius]

@Lychslap-cenarion-circle

50 RFD entrances for just $10 on the Blizzard Store now!

can i get like unlimited access for $7.99 a month?

I’d pay it honestly.

[Kevinbaecon-atiesh]

Friendly reminder that the people who actually play the game want Random Dungeon Finder, that is all.