Depends on what drops. If if am replacing a piece and it is a good upgrade from another piece I got reasonably, sure, but when I am replacing these 415 fat mcforged pants with a 415 pair with maybe better stats, it really doesn’t feel as good. Why not just farm more trivial 10 keys and fish for titanforges? It is a better time->reward system even though it is complete RNG out of your control. Mythic raiding dropping 4 pieces of loot for 20 people is an absolute joke for the amount of time and pulls it takes to kill a boss on progression.
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Well they’re apart of my community now… Sooo there’s that. Also I have plenty of regulars who enjoy the runs.
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In all honesty Kreivos, these forums have a weird effect on me. I don’t know why, but I’m more irritated on these forums than I am in RL and in game. The same thing happened to me with PvP, which is why I stopped.
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Because at this point you have earned my ire by acting impassible, and not even siding with reality.
You keep trolling, and I’ll keep pointing it out.
It’s not because blizzard does it that it’s good or make you right.
Name one, this thread already went 385 page i never see anyone even notice him in any way or form.
Im not saying it was wrong, but his community run probably created more gimme people than people that actually would step up and do it themselves.
Im not saying he was wrong, just felt weird that he seems upset about welfare being given away, since he pretty much doing it himself.
The feeling is then, the abysmal PL system, coupled w/ a even more over bloated gearing system with Mythic+ and then add the over bloated gearing of WQ/WF/TF; Leaves the gear (at the Highest Tier) Unrewarding for the effort.
Do you not view other things as a reward within the scope of raiding?
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This game rewards skill and time invested, equally.
The purpose of more powerful gear is to do more difficult content.
If you have gear that makes Normal Raiding easy, move on to harder raiding. And keep going until you either run out of harder content or run out of gear upgrades.
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Indeed. That’s where DBM takes all the skill outta raiding. Move here, move there, stack, run away,etc
Well I just did, for one. Not everyone’s going to follow someone around and lavish fawning praise on them in every thread.
Synsha’s is a name I do recognize as being helpful and friendly in the past though.
… There’s a difference between someone offering knowledge and a safe place to learn to improve themselves… And handing someone a full set of raid gear for doing nothing.
There isn’t even a logical comparison there.
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So if a coach tells you to jump on the side line you think that it will make you do the perfect jump required for this particuliar situation? And that you have atleast the training and reflexes to do it at the perfect timing. With maybe even more things that are happening around that are purely rng.
There is tho, if i was a clueless person getting free run from a random nobody, what i would do is either join that guy for another free run, or expect people to give me another free run.
If you notice the trend, people will say “This is what wow community is all about” whenever they receive a benefit, and will complain “There’s no community in M+” even when they can make their own group and use their own key.
Not really because I am not going to sit around in a circle and talk to my raid team about how great the experience was and how the power of friendship and perseverance prevailed. When the only “tangible” reward given for 100+ pulls on a boss and getting the kill is something someone can POTENTIALLY get for spending 10 minutes spamming their 1 key on some mobs, it is not fulfilling at all. Especially since I am not realistically getting a piece of gear until about 5 boss deaths (thus 20 pieces of loot get thrown around). Yes, rerolls do “increase” the chance of getting a piece of gear, but it still isn’t very likely.
Also, that gripe has nothing to do with PL vs ML. Even in a world of ML you got about 5 pieces of loot for 20 people. Even if ML was in the game it would not change the fact that raiding compared to m+ is a meme in terms of gear progression. Bring back tier and sure we might have an argument to be had, but good luck with that one. As it stands the only SOMETIMES good pieces of gear that won’t get replaced by something from M+ is MAYBE a trinket or an Azerite piece, but even then chances are one from the vendor is better anyway.
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This is actually one of the reasons why I am unsubbed right now. I have no motivation to do normal raids or M+ when I won’t get properly rewarded for my time.
Makes no sense that I can get high item level gear from WQ and weekly events and such. I haven’t raided Heroic since WoD because a few personal reasons. Like I don’t have the time anymore but now since BfA I don’t want to raid Normal even anymore because it’s pointless when I can get better or on par gear from questing.
And mythic plus ugh…I miss Legions version. It’s a mess in BfA. I know my personal limits and I am okay with that but even the keys that I can do don’t give me anything anymore. Unless I get lucky with WF/TF. Which I hate such system. There’s no end goal anymore. Just farm, farm, farm the same old dungeons and pray for WF/TF.
I’ll be back for 8.2 and I hope I’ll enjoy it but in the mean time I’m playing FFXIV and having fun and actually progressing through content…in order of said content. Like it should be and not skipped to the latest.
Exactly, the training becomes the journey of learning the mechanics but that’s it. You can’t say dbm don’t take at least half the challenge of raiding.
Who isn’t siding with reality? I’ve acknowledged how the game is being designed and developed and I like it. You don’t so you tantrum and insult people. I like the status quo. And since we know what’s coming in 8.2 I’m getting more of what I want, you’re not. I think the answer is quite obviously you who has a problem here.
Have at it, I like how trolling is now pointing out objective reality that you don’t like 
Sure, I’ll agree with that. But it doesn’t mean it’s wrong either. It does, however, mean they are the only authority on the matter that actually matters, not you, not I, not anyone else here on the forums. We all have our own opinions of how things should be and none of them are intended to make the game better. They’re intended to make our experiences better. There’s a big difference there. It just so happens that what I like is also the philosophy espoused by Blizzard at this time, at least regarding this specific topic. And I’m very happy to know that that isn’t changing anytime soon. That doesn’t mean I like everything Blizzard does or that I don’t have complaints. It just means I think your ideas are garbage and absolutely don’t want them implemented.
The further we can get away from Mythic raiders being special snowflakes deserving power rewards far above the average player the better as far as I’m concerned. Because it brings out the ugly truth. And we see that ugly truth every single day as people cry about other people not deserving gear, or how they don’t do Mythic for the challenge and the current rewards aren’t good enough. All of this vitriol happens while they spit on everyone they consider unworthy, the unwashed masses that just login and have fun and don’t do organized group content. Hell, someone in this thread argued that they don’t even count because they’re not even playing the game, they’re just doing pet battles and world quests. The reality is that’s who the bulk of mythic raiders are. They’re people looking for people to lord their awesomeness over.
Not all of them are that way, but there’s a hell of a lot of them that are. And shockingly they show up in thread after thread crying about forging or about Emissary rewards or about ML being gone and it’s the same names over and over again. Personally I find it highly entertaining to be a forum salt farmer and it doesn’t look like there’s going to be a famine anytime soon.
If the gear other people have worries you or upsets you in the slightest you’re part of the problem. If your enjoyment is predicated on other people not having as good of gear as you do or even coming close to you, you’re part of the problem.
At the same time, if there was no dbm they would have to make the fights easier to compensate, or atleast more clear you could say that dbm was invented because blizzard still can’t figure how to communicate boss mechanics. A game like FFxiv doesn’t have dbm and sure it’s a different way to aboard the game but that doesn’t mean it’s easier or harder.
I literally don’t pay attention to DBM after like 7 pulls. The bosses are so cyclical that if you need timers after so many pulls your memory is just horrendous.
The progression for the gear isn’t tied to specifically to raiding and requires Mythic+ to be competitive. Which renders the rewarding feeling from raid gear under whelming. Even more so when the Vendor gear could be possibly better.
You see the difference with me and you is simple, I don’t hate you. I don’t hate casual players. I just want them to have a different experience that is more meaningful and that for myself. I’m not saying this to empower mythic raider, it’s just simple that the cost of mythic raiding is too high to not have the best rewards. Else I would be fine with them removing mythic raiding if they just don’t want people to do it. I’m expecting mythic jaina and crucible new bosses in mythic to have the lowest participation in all history of wow.