Anybody that can complain about Shadowlands and praise the brainless villain-batting that was the TBC story in the same breath isn’t really worth engaging with about WoW lore tbh
Ironically, that notion is, in fact, fanfiction. SL is lore whether you like it or not.
You mean when they retconned and ruined WC3 characters?
Yes, I mean when they made concessions to make the story fit in the context of an MMO.
Nobody is forcing you to continue to engage then, if that’s your take on the situation. Just don’t pull out an alt.
I get that they can be echo chambers for specific views, not doubting that.
That being the case, where’s the echo chamber for people who liked Shadowlands story? I’ll wait for some sources.
…what?
Well at least we are coming to an understanding. You have a double standard.
It’s always been weak IMO. The cards fell some time ago for me.
Probably when we had a mini circus in ice crown so we could put a huge military target in the lich kings backyard to prep storming his citidel (and the intent was heavily advertised). How did that make sense…
I like Dragonflight, but Shadowlands is still haunting me. Multiple people should have been disciplined for how negatively that impacted the lore and world of Warcraft.
I’m not convinced the team has learned their lesson fully. They made Zereth Mortis and still keep pushing this Zereth nonsense.
Oh I was never engaging you to begin with. I’m mocking you. There’s a difference.
That name wouldn’t happened to be inspired by Kitty Softpaws?
Wotlk to me had a beginning a middle and an end…ever since then everything been up in the air bfa they did 3 storylines they could have been broken up into three expansion but they pushed then all together…now there pulled a lot of the old undead char we have left an reusing them??..ysera dead or no she’s not reborn back in the dream.ohh we going to stay in the shadowlands …oh nevermind we got to get back to azeroth…azshara disappeared oh guess what she back again…come on…make up your minds if there dead there dead stop reincarnating them over and over introduce new char or there children if they have any.if they bring back neltherian…ooh I will be pissed…leave the dead dead.there dead…I know there trying to bring back (tyr)…or just make it know there immortal…and just sleeping until we need to wake them for help.
EH, the story to WotLK was a let down to what all was set up in WC3. Was also the first time we were required to read a book to get the full story as well. If you think that was the peak story telling it shows how little you invest yourself in stories TBH. WoW story was never good, people should just accept that. Now it does have some great lore and an interesting world but as far as a plot in the game they have always been pretty underwhelming.
I was trying to think of a rogue name when I wanted to swap mains for DF, and this one just stuck. I haven’t seen the movie (had to google the reference) but maybe I heard it and it got stuck in my brain meat lol.
People who don’t like things tend to look for places to complain. People who like things just take them for granted and don’t say that much.
Notice that a store might have a “complaint” department but you never see a “praise” department.
TBC and WotLK had unforgivably bad stories.
WotLK was a lot worse though. They began by completely throwing away the set-up from the last cinematic of the RTS era, where Ner’zhul and Arthas merge. The WoW creative team decided that, in a minor passage in a book, Ner’zhul (who had been the Lich King through all of WC 3), was destroyed. So now it’s just Arthas. Lots of interesting story potential (Ner’zhul as a character was central to Horde history) just flushed down the drain.
And what does Arthas do afterwards? He lets us win. That’s literally the story. He lets us win all the way until we’re at the peak of Icecrown citadel, when he’s like “hey, you passed the test, but now I’ll just 1-shot you all, which I could’ve done earlier, and you can be my champions now!” Then a deus ex machina intervenes to stop him and we win.
The Scourge, that destroyed Lordaeron in the RTS, also turn out to be a big nothing. They lose. Then lose some more. Then they’re so very pathetic, that we set up a renaissance faire in Icecrown itself to play for games and decide who gets the honor of attacking their last fortress.
Before WotLK came out, I had always kind of thought that when we faced the Lich King again, they’d write a story where the Scourge were this overwhelming force that we wouldn’t be able to defeat when it massed unless we engaged in some desperate strike to cut a path directly to the Lich King and destroy him. That the climax would be a desperate battle at Icecrown.
Instead, the battle at the end was so very far from desperate. It was so non-desperate, that one of the raid fights is the Horde and Alliance fighting each other as they ascend Icecrown Citadel in their airships. That’s how pathetic Arthas and the Scourge were in WotLK. It’s absolutely incredible how much WotLK wasted the biggest brand name villain of the WarCraft franchise.
It was never great but there were a few standout failures for me
Cata- mostly good but the lava tentacle monster was stupid
Mists-I actually didn’t mind this expansion. The goofy esthetic was kind of fun.
Wod- time traveling orcs is ridiculous and blizzard should be embarrassed
Legion- mostly good but mortals shooting a world soul with a space ship was so shockingly stupid. Even for blizzard.
BFA- overall not awful but all the systems and extraneous BS is what really hurt this expansion.
SL- complete failure top to bottom. Some of the art was OK.
DF- TBD
Yet reviews can only be negative though, right?
I think the bureaucracy of divinity has gotten a little out of control. Now the first ones are the mysterious unknown, and the prior unknowns are being revealed to us.
I’ve stated this before, but I really dislike when fantasy tries to be hard science fiction and then fails at being both hard science fiction and fantasy.
Wow has always had tech elements, but it’s not scifi and should stop trying to be scifi.
But this is such an important point. Too many people blame Danuser when the person creating the issues was Afraisabi.
Dragonflight has been pretty solid so far. It continues to indicate to me that the actual narrative problems of BFA and SL were Afraisabi’s fault.
Reviews can be anything. Out of the millions of people who have played this game over the years a review is the opinion of one person. It may or may not reflect the opinions of “the players” in general.
Steve “Self-Insert” Danuser is only the current buffoon in charge of bastardizing the story; Afraisabi has been doing so since Warlords of Draenor…
I think people forget about how a lot of BFAs writing was down right terrible because of afterlife adventures in SL.