WoW tokens and Microtransactions in Classic

Hi Everyone-

How do you feel about WoW tokens and Microtransactions (a blizz shop thing) in classic?

While I agree that WoW tokens would make classic a lot easier and maybe even attract more players, even I (a pro-change person) can’t advocate for the inclusion of the WoW token. I think it may be a step too far from an “authentic” classic experience on any kind of sliding scale.

As for microtransactions, I couldn’t care less really as long as Blizzard doesn’t allow character boosts or gear with stats. As for paid transfers, I don’t have a problem if they originate from a PvP server.

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WoW tokens have zero place in classic
character services - i’m indifferent but they should limit them to a long cd if they put them in.

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You’ll be able to buy game time with BFA token but not gold with it for Classic. I’m sure there will be paid character transfers at some point. As far as a shop no. Just no. People need to stop supporting that kind of greed. Microtransactions is the biggest cancer to gaming.

Edit: forgot classic is included with retail sub. So token is a definite no since it’s not needed at all.

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Tokens obviously not. The Vanilla economy actually matters. Micro-transactions obviously not. A huge part of Vanilla is earning what you have.

Paid transfers I could see server transfer (but no pve-> pvp), since they existed at the tail end of Vanilla. But that’s about it.

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Going through your post history shows you advocate flying mounts and LFD. Another troll thread and user to ignore. Give it a rest my dude.

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Hi Tagatojin-

Good point about the token- it can still buy game time because classic and BFA are under the same subscription. Forgot about that. Cheers!

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I don’t really care either way.

By the time tokens would ever sell for enough that they can really trivialize anything the game will be so mature it won’t matter anyways.

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Personally I don’t really care about tokens either way. No, they shouldn’t be in vanilla…but if blizzard sees them as a viable start to combat gold farming, then it’s really no big deal.

Economies will take months to stabilize, and because token price goes off supply and demand, people will basically be paying 20 real life dollars for 30 to 40 in game gold. Not worth the money imo.

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Hi Lagspike- $20 for 40 gold haha, yeah. I wonder what the scale would actually be compared to BFA.

Hi Mogar- suprised to see you post in the thread given your instincts, but happy to see you none-the-less and happier to find an issue where we agree.

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Just because I know someone is trolling doesn’t mean I still don’t offer an opinion on a matter.

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Yeah I just pulled a number out of my butt haha. But I bet it will be absurdly low. Not gonna lie, if tokens are in classic I will probabaly buy em (I have disposible income but not disposible time to farm) but I won’t buy them if they only give 40 gold, and I certainly won’t be upset if they don’t exist at all.

I’m in the same boat as you Lagspike re: income and time. Maybe Blizz will at some point implement gold for a wow token in classic, but I hope it isn’t immediately.

edit: I would probably buy it too :slight_smile:

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the illegal gold selling business is thousands of times bigger today than it was back in vanilla days, that it still exists in games despite tokens, it’s gonna turn out to be a major problem if there aren’t tokens to help combat that

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No, then it wouldn’t be Classic.

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When I hear how tokens destroy the economy I immediately know the person has no idea how economies work.

Player 1 farms 100 gold and uses it to buy a token.
Player 2 sells a token. Player 2 does not receive 100 gold.

The amount of gold player 2 receives is after the gold sink. What if player 2 only recieved 10 gold? That will drain gold out of the economy.

Fear of tokens is 100% fear of the dark. Seeing big bad monsters in the shadows of trees.

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OR they just hate people getting any advantages in game for real cash. To some that cheapens the game.

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That’s…not how tokens work at all. In your example, player 2 does get 100 gold. No gold is created or destroyed this way, it only changes ownership.

Not saying tokens should be added, just saying your statement is wrong.

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No to both. I don’t want a player being a total jerk to everyone to be given the liberty of moving to another server.

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If you read my post I specify those that site the economy. Your point is a very different one.

I believe it’s a petty point but different none the less. Petty because its premise is based on a notion that there is an advantage only because someone pays. That same advantage is obtainable without paying.

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Whenever people with dubious (non-existent) economic expertise chime in with their “tokens-dont-cause-inflation” spiel, they always seem to neglect the fact that player 1 might not have the motivation to farm 100 gold if he couldn’t pay his sub with that gold. Player one has the choice of any number of activities to do when he logs in to WoW; battlegrounds, world pvp, crafting, running dungeons, rolling an alt, dueling in front of Org, etc. Because player 1 can pay his sub with gold, player 1 (and thousands of players like him) may decide to spend his daily playtime farming the most efficient gold spots. This likely involves killing stuff, collecting the gold dops, and vendoring some of the drops, which creates even more gold that didn’t exist before. If that player (and the thousands of players like him) didn’t have this particular motivation to farm gold, they might have partaken in another activity that generates far less gold per hour, or even costs gold per hour.

So yes, player 1’s gold does get transferred to player 2, but player 1’s gold may have never been created in the first place if the token didn’t exist. Without the token, player 1 might only choose to engage in enough gold-producing activities to pay his repair bills and purchase some raiding consumables. With the token in the game, he takes the hour a day that he usually spends dueling and instead spends it creating gold, as do thousands of players like him.

There’s an argument to be made that the addition of the token increases the demand for gold. Sans token, you’re stuck buying gold from a shady 3rd party site, which involves going to a website that likely has malicious programs, such as keyloggers. Then you need to give this shady site your credit card info, or some other form of payment. In addition, if the site fails to deliver the gold, your recourse options are limited. You could try and do a charge back, but those can be risky. The shadyness and risk involved in buying gold from grey-market 3rd party sites likely dissuades a number of people from using those services.

With the token, Blizzard has provided a safe and officially sanctioned method of buying gold, so players who had been scared of sketchy gold sellers can now purchase gold in a legitimate manner. This likely increases the number of people who are willing to purchase gold, which increases the demand for gold. What happens when demand for something goes up? Supply increases to meet demand. What happens when there’s an unhealthy increase in the money supply? Inflation.

Furthermore, retail servers have the black market auction house, which (in theory) could be used to pull excess money off of servers where the money supply is too high. As far as I know, the devs can choose to list very desirable items at high starting bids on the BMAH. This might pull gold out of the economy, or it might just increase the demand for gold and make the situation worse. Point is, it’s another knob the devs can turn to impact the economy, which may or may not serve as a check on inflation. Without being privy to Blizzard’s data, I can’t really say what impact the BMAH has, and neither can you.

So yeah, economies are just a little bit more complicated than “player 1 gives gold to player 2.” The token may very well increase the demand for gold, because it’s safe and convenient, and a number of players who avoided sketchy gold sellers are likely to have no problem buying gold via the token system. If this system does in fact increase the demand for gold, then it’s almost inarguable that it also increases the production of gold, and thereby increases the money supply, which is one of the contributing factors to inflation. Supply always, always, always rises to meet demand.

Keep the token out of Classic, please.

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