WOW Token is legalized RMT - put it in Wrath

No, I don’t.

Technically it is bannable, its just so insanely easy to get around the bans its almost essentially legal.

Its like having a highway with a 40 MPH speed limit, but only one cop patrols the route between 2:18AM and 2:20AM every third wednesday of the month when the full moon is out.

Blizzard doesn’t Ban enough bots to punish RMT they gave up on GMS way to early, due to what i can only assume not wanting to pay people to do it and rely on the automated system. And let’s be fair. Blizzard does make a lot of money off the bots.

since blizz is 100% ok with third party RMT and quite literally offers boosts to botters as a business model, they should absolutely add a token for classic to cut out the middle men for max profit. why have this grey area when you can make it legit while raking in all that juicy token cash! it’s a no brainer tbh.

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Thw WoW token isn’t “legalozed RMT.” Gold is Blizzard’s IP. They can sell it all they want. If they want. Third parties can’t witbout permission.

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While I hate that it is pay to win it does kill botting by a large degree. Maybe without the botting commodity prices would match gold inflation. I’ll agree that the token might as well be brought in at this point.

Then you support illegal RMT… Kinda lame man.

You do realize that illegal RMT is still a thing in retail eve with the token right? Currently Google says 400k gold is $58. Sooo he isn’t wrong, a token doesn’t “fix” RMT because retail is still rife with RMT, From paid carries for gear, to mounts and titles and lets not forget about Rated BGs and Arena carries. ALL still involve RMT. So him not wanting a token (that doesn’t actually stop RMT) doesn’t = supports RMT.

Which is absurd, because there’s only one group who can stop RMT, and that’s Blizzard, but they do nothing.

stop this. GDKPs were in the game since vanilla. Crack down on RMT, and suddenly GDKPs are less prevelant still exist alongside SR and MS>OS pugs and have much much cheaper prices, people are asking to see your 500g budget instead of your 50,000g budget and raiders are getting spending money on prev teir content, everyone wins.

Yes of course. That doesn’t change my point. People who want to earn gold through in-game content have to compete with people who swipe a credit card. That undermines their efforts. It may not bring inflation (for the reason you mention), but it still says you can pay to win and creates an uneven playing field for those who either don’t have the means or don’t want to (on principle) pay to win.

Some argue that people will find ways to buy gold through other means, but at least it isn’t legitimized by having the company sanction this practice through the token. The token definitely results in more people using real life cash to buy gold in game.

Let me phrase it unambiguously:

Pay to win is bad game design

I still don’t think you get it. The people who “swipe their credit card” receive a token in return, which must be traded for in-game gold by legitimate players who made said gold. Introducing the token would greatly stabilize the economy, making gold more valuable for those who are farming it manually. Its literally a win-win for everyone involved.

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The issue isn’t whether or not the made gold was legitimate. The problem is the buying with the credit card is paying money to receive in-game currency. That is pay to win. You are arguing a totally different point.

And people buying the token with said gold are paying2play. Just not with real money.

Interesting…

You want to cite that tweet?

So far all I see him saying is:


Brian Birmingham💙


@BrianBirming

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Jun 18

Not currently. I understand the concern, but there’s nothing inherently wrong with using gold to bid on items. It might be worth directing some eyes at new characters placing big bids, but there’s no guarantee the gold didn’t come from an alt or a friend.

Theres also this one:

“My personal opinion has shifted; I used to view them as inherently bad, but I went on a few run by friends, and it changed my perspective. Most people placing winning bids on top tier items made their fortunes by running GDKPs on alts in previous weeks. They just play a lot.”

And this one:

"I disagree!
On the contrary, I was very anti-GDKP until I went on a few that my guild mates were organizing. It changed my mind.
When I was crying about them before a coworker pointed out that he’d organized GDKPs back in 2005 and wondered why I hated them. "

But yeah, not seeing the quote you supposedly saw him say anywhere

That would only be true if there were an in-game NPC that traded items/gold for the token you just bought with your credit card, but there isn’t. The token can only be traded with other players, making it not “pay-2-win”. Player 1 (who bought token) spent $15 IRL money for an in-game token. Player 2, uses the gold that they’ve farmed to purchase token from player 1, and redeems it for game time. There is no paying or winning here, just a trade of currencies.

Of course you’re free to have your own particular definition of what P2W means, but to the great majority of people, pay to win simply means getting an advantage in game (e.g. gold, resources, gear) by paying real-life money.

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