Wow should look at Fellowship

[Oortaelia-turalyon]

Even Asmon said it sucks and can’t touch wow and he hates wow nowadays

[Phoenix-fizzcrank]

At the end of the day, if all you want to do is M+ without a world or other activities, Fellowship might be for some folks.

Fellowship only has 10 characters you can choose from and people seem to gloss over how you can’t make a customized character.

[Kaercha-area-52]

@Kaercha-area-52

Edit:
Because people can’t just respond what I said and instead need to argue against what they think I mean:

I’m not saying fellowship is a wow killer. I’m not saying it’s better than wows mythic plus. I’m not saying that fellowship doesn’t have problems. I’m not saying that everything about it is great. I’m not saying m+ is the most important thing in wow.

I’m saying that they have made some design decisions that are better than some of wows recent foibles with m+, and it would behoove wows dev team to look at the responses of players as they play fellowship to see the outcome of experiments they can’t/won’t do in wow, as well as look at things that don’t work well in fellowship that wow either already does as a sunk cost or might try to do in the future.

Read. Understand. Comprehend. Them reply.

Added to OP.

[Malthadris-sentinels]

@Tiffany-ravencrest

What does it have to offer for the WoW players who don’t do high end game content

nothing.

we aren’t the target audience.

[Islandsteve-stormrage]

Fellowship looks worse and plays worse in every way. Its like a cheap WoW knockoff

[Malthadris-sentinels]

@Merpish-area-52

I feel like Fellowship is going to fall into the same trap that Wildstar fell into, which is that they are appealing to an incredibly tiny number of WoW specific players who only want to do one thing: Mythic Plus.

The reality is, there are not that many people who only want to do keys all the time. In fact I can think of two players I know personally who, despite having achieved title every single season on the same character, do practically everything in this game. They are mount collectors, achievement hunters, raiders, and pvpers. They just also do high keys.

Wildstar kind of ran into the same problem, which is that they listened to an incredibly tiny section of the 2010-2014 WoW playerbase who were clamoring for the return of the glory days of difficult, 40 man raids. Wildstar delivered exactly what those players said they wanted, and no one played it. Because as it turns out, the amount of people who actually want that content are very few in number.

I’m just quoting this because it should be repeated.

[Mercelída-proudmoore (Mercelída)]

Never heard of it

[Sendryn-sentinels]

@Kaercha-area-52

Don’t wanna let someone else steal your schtick.

Games borrow from each other all the time.

@Kaercha-area-52

I’m saying that they have made some design decisions that are better than some of wows recent foibles with m+, and it would behoove wows dev team to look at the responses of players as they play fellowship to see the outcome of experiments they can’t/won’t do in wow, as well as look at things that don’t work well in fellowship that wow either already does as a sunk cost or might try to do in the future.

Read. Understand. Comprehend. Them reply.

Well, had you said all of that prior to your edit, maybe people would have understood. But it took you an edit to finally give detail.

[Ventorath-wyrmrest-accord]

@Merpish-area-52

Wildstar delivered exactly what those players said they wanted, and no one played it. Because as it turns out, the amount of people who actually want that content are very few in number.

Wildstar felt like it had a lot more going on than just 40m raids.

But it leaned into the “hardcore” too much at launch in general, it wasn’t just about the raids. They made a lot of good changes eventually, but they waited too long so all the casual players left and once they were gone a patch wasn’t gonna bring them back.

That, and, yeah, raiding was a thing. They directly put themselves up against WoW. During MoP. WoW wasn’t low enough to try doing that back then.

You know why I stepped away from Wildstar?

Because I was raiding in WoW. Zero other reasons.

They’d have to do something groundbreaking to get people who have no interest in quitting WoW to switch to their timesink endgame (because most people can’t maintain it in 2 different MMOs at the same time), and that’s unrealistic without messing with what makes the genre the genre.

It was doomed from the start for trying to compete directly for WoW’s playerbase, no matter how many things it did well.

I would’ve loved for it to live. I liked a lot about it. But I wasn’t going to quit WoW for it.

[Tiffany-ravencrest]

@Malthadris-sentinels

we aren’t the target audience.

That’s just the point. He is saying Blizzard should look at this game in which the material has been exclusively described as group material. I’d rather they didn’t look at it and get any more ideas about how the rest of us are not important.

[Andryn-proudmoore]

I am so happy you posted this. I love world of Warcraft and I love mythic+. I’ve been encouraging my husband and friends to join me there for a while now but with no success. Wow does a poor job of selling the most fun parts of its content (M+, raids, PvP, etc) because so much of it is behind a level and item level grind. My friends and partner tried fellowship this week. We’re all hooked. Having a clear UI, mouse over heals, gear that doesn’t break, queued dungeons and more have been delights to find. In so many ways I’m happy this is here. Now they know what M+ is. I’m finally able to share this with them. I might be happy just to enjoy it in fellowship with them when it releases though I do still wish they’d try wow. I just need the game to speak for itself, and with new players, it just doesn’t do that half as well as fellowship does. WoW’s focus has, perhaps rightly, been on its existing player base for some time. Incorporating some of what Fellowship is doing here tho will open the door for more people to join WoW and I suspect for more existing WoW players to join M+. Way to go Fellowship! Blizz, please keep an eye! You don’t want another Dota or League coming for your heroes of the storm lunch

[Silverleigh-drakthul]

@Malthadris-sentinels

@Tiffany-ravencrest

What does it have to offer for the WoW players who don’t do high end game content

nothing.

we aren’t the target audience.

We never are.

Not even in WoW.

Unless they are trying to maneuver us onto that hamster wheel.

[Cursewords-tichondrius (Cursewords)]

I looked at Fellowship because of this thread…. and it looked ugly.

[Akston-area-52]

@Silverleigh-drakthul

We never are.

Not even in WoW.

Unless they are trying to maneuver us onto that hamster wheel.

Yeah.

Last major feature was delves.

Next major feature is housing.

The WoW players that dont do high end game content are clearly not the target audience.

The ones that get everything. But can never be satisfied.

[Silverleigh-drakthul]

@Akston-area-52

Last major feature was delves.

Which is an attempt to maneuver us onto the hamster wheel.

@Akston-area-52

Next major feature is housing.

I think we need to see what Blizzard’s latest idea of housing will amount to BEFORE we start saying who it will be for.

@Akston-area-52

The ones that get everything. But can never be satisfied.

Everything?

Wow, that’s some serious hyperbole there.

All I wanted was a fun adventure, which I got up to and including Pandaria. It was amazing and magical.

Unfortunately, in Draenor, Blizzard switched the questing to an on-rails experience to funnel everyone into endgame content faster because the high end game content players whined.

And Blizzard has continued in that direction to this day, adding level scaling, increased xp gains, ect.

So don’t tell me I have gotten everything I want, when I have had everything but the World either ruined or taken away because of the focus on competitive endgame content.

[Quenya-shadow-council (Quenya)]

So it’s a PVE hero shooter with a fantasy skin.

eh.

[Ac-azshara]

@Kaercha-area-52

Because people can’t just respond to what I said and instead need to argue against what they think I mean:

It doesn’t matter what you say or how you try to explain it. Those types are going take your words, extrapolate the worst possible interpretation of them, then theorize based on that as if you said it.

Simply put, they lack reading skills and critical thinking. I haven’t even read any posts yet and I already know what to expect (armchair reddit “ahhctually” manbabies).

[Ac-azshara]

@Dommont-saurfang

YouTube will not remember you have watched it as long as you,

• Do not upvote or downvote the video
• Do not comment on the video

That is definately not true. I don’t “like share & subscribe” anything but you watch more than 1 video from the same channel and you’re donezo. This might have been true at one point, but it definately isn’t the case anymore.

[Zemus-hyjal]

The one thing I keep hearing about Fellowship is how it just makes ppl want to play Wow.

@Ac-azshara

That is definately not true. I don’t “like share & subscribe” anything but you watch more than 1 video from the same channel and you’re donezo. This might have been true at one point, but it definately isn’t the case anymore.

If you want to nuke a video, watch it for fewer than 10 seconds.

[Dommont-saurfang]

@Ac-azshara

That is definately not true. I don’t “like share & subscribe” anything but you watch more than 1 video from the same channel and you’re donezo.

Are there related terms in your YouTube search history?

Might want to wipe that too.