WoW keeps replacing its leaders with generic figureheads - here's why it's a problem

I’m assuming they sort of wanted to get away from making racial leaders be lightning rods for (often extremely warranted) player hate so right around DF they decided to wipe the board and give us a new roster. That can work as a temporary solution to shift the narrative to whatever’s going on in the expansion and give other characters and factions more room in the spotlight, especially as they’ve moved away from faction conflict. I get the logic behind it but don’t agree with the milquetoast offerings we have just because they’re “safe”.

But up until a certain point, even our guy Arthas was about as vanilla a character as you could ask for, so there’s room for growth.

Unless you’re Baine. Sorry, I forgot to write anything down for Baine.

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You could make the same argument about Vol’jin – all the way until Cataclysm, really. That didn’t stop him from having an excellent personality.

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Oh Rohkan…

The best thing I could say about Blizzard regarding Rohkan is that he gave both the Traitorfangs and the real Players some stealth trinket…. for that “Baine” quest…

Rohkan remained out of the fray, while involved.

Don’t worry so did the shadowlands team

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I feel like Talanji and Rastakan can best be compared to Lor’themar and Kael’thas. Lor’themar had MASSIVE shoes to fit into, and he never actually fit into them. Over time, with a bit of development and screentime, however, he’s comfortably come into his own as his own character.

Talanji easily has that same potential, even moreso because her introduction to the setting was more than as a no-line throne warmer.

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Talanji and Lor’themar both suck.

Apt comparison. I’m fine with Lor’themar, aside from Thalyssra devolving into his arm candy. But even fine took from TBC to MoP to establish. Kael always was and will probably always be more interesting to me.

Imagine having Cairne, Vol’jin, Sylvanas, Kael, Gallywix, and Rastakhan still around. That Horde would be amazing.

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I think it’s either the medium of an MMO not lending itself to give these characters great moments or the writers are so different that the spark that made some people fall in love is just not there.

I personally am not inspired by any of these “new” characters and would not follow any of them into battle.

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Oh my Lordy Lou….

I just logged on WoW… and this whiney fwat is center screen

The best way to ease the generational transition is to write stories for the whole cast…

Instead of focusing every story on this ugly hair cut boy Blizz wants to insist is interesting

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Anduin has sucked all the air out of the room and robbed other races of development since MoP.

Like when the “Velen” short story was all about Anduin.

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At this point, Thrall and Jaina are the obligatory Horde/Alliance representative characters. They show up so Blizzard can go, “See? The Horde and Alliance are totally involved!” Them both dipping out of the expansion only to return after the leveling to go fetch the factions, is just them actually doing something to that effect (which is weird, as Thrall isn’t Warchief and Jaina isn’t High King, or even Supreme Allied Commander-stand-in like Turalyon).

Anduin gets shoved down everyone’s throats too much, I agree. I’d prefer if he and Sylvanas had just… stayed in the Maw.

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Fixed that. Lillian Voss isn’t the new Forsaken leader; she’s just one of the NPCs who shows up most regularly.

Please take her back to the Alliance, where you can cuddle with her to your heart’s content.

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They think that Lillian Voss is the forsaken leader now. Oh no no no don’t tell them :laughing: :dash:

An actual crime. Talanji is a great character and they put her on the shelf to rot so we could get a Sylvanas clone, Anduin, and MORE Jaina. Yaaaaay…

Brutal.

Magni has already expressed that he does not want the throne back. As far back as the Fault lines comic. That being said, he agrees that the council should stay simply because it has unified the Dwarven Clans, something that has not been a thing in centuries.

Now all we need is for Dagran II to marry a Wildhammer :stuck_out_tongue:

Because that is an important question. The council was made to rule Ironforge until Dagran II comes of age. So what would happen to the Wildhammer clan afterwards? Dagran would represent the Dark Irons and the Bronzebeards. And if Moira took the throne with her son and fathers blessing, I don’t think the Wildhammers and even some of the Bronzebeards would be happy with that.

Tess is an abject failure in every single regard.
Genn was interesting because he was written as the Alliance’s sole, only truly human character. His beliefs made sense. His motives were all something one could believe. He could fail, not only in the sense of Horde v Alliance, but in terms of morality.

He was great.

Tess is less than nothing. Calia 2 but alive.

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I miss Kael’thas so much.

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She’s the Forsaken leader in all but name and will remain so until Faranel/Velonara/Belmont become anything more than flavor NPCs that occasionally show up for fluff and visual diversity.

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Truthfully, I am tired of many of the long-running leaders. Tess and Shandris should at least have a chance. I do think it would have worked better if Genn had a chance to rack up a Forsaken body count and have a “what have I done” revelation, but I also think they want Genn to be a more heroic figure than that. He is basically the last Old WC2 Alliance figure we have left, after all. (Well there’s also Turaylon, but he’s more an Old Soldier than a statesman.)

Some posters who shall not be named don’t like Gallywix to Gazlowe, but I think it works with a theory I hold onto until the end of time: Goblin engineering isn’t prone to failure because the goblins are getting stupid, it’s because they’re cheap. They don’t have quality because they have this short-term outlook. They’re still the race that somehow manufactured the Dragon Soul. That potential should be buried somewhere in them.

Rastakhan I can agree with, he had an interesting thing going on but was over too soon.

Even Liam was more and he only had like 3 lines or something.
The speech before the battle of Gilneas was dope.

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Tess just needs more fleshing out and blizzs needs her to, bridge the gap as it were, between the afflicted gilneans and the non afflicted ones. As of right now, she’s basically just Pro Normal Humans and not much else.

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