pay to dress up
Simply going to +1 this because this was my example to end an argument a couple months back involving P2W.
We pay to play, therefor anything we earn in game, carried or not, is technically pay to win.
Damn every game that has a subscription fee! Lol
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Without the token everyone pays the same. That makes the $15 an even playing field.
Why did the token change anything?
WoW has had paid carries for a large majority of its lifetime, I know many people who boosted people through MoP Challenge mode for the sets, from what I hear GDKPs were around since vanilla and thats the most basic boosting you’ll get. Some people showed up to boost and get paid others showed up to buy items.
Why does it matter now that carries are happening?
Nothing about buying carries is against any rule Blizzard as put out, carries don’t affect people as much as people want to think. Most people I’ve come across who buy carries either don’t want to deal with the stress of pugs or aren’t good enough to do it anyway. You won’t find them in you’re M+ or raid groups looking to get a spot.
I guess as a player who can complete the content without paying for a carry, I don’t see whats P2W, the only thing I’d consider paying for is arenas, or I’d just get some of my glad friends to carry me for free. Or does that still count?
If you want to argue about this topic it would serve the discussion very well to first agree on the definition of “win” in this context.
I’m sorry, but that’s not what pay to win means.
Literally every game in history is “pay to win” if you change the definition to include paying another person to play for you or carry you.
What pay to win actually refers to are monetization designs coded into the game.
Paying Joe and his friends to carry you through a M+15 is called a carry.
Buying “super gems” from a real money store and then using your “super gems” at an in game vendor to purchase a “+10 ilvl gear boost” token would be pay to win.
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“Raids, M+, and PvP are the only relevant content.”
Same group:
“It’s not P2W using gold you bought to advance in endgame content.”
It’s obvious the only players that don’t think it’s P2W are the ones benefitting from it.
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They’re paying for a chance. They’re literally giving tithe to the RNG gods.
Pay to win = you get exactly what you pay for.
I cannot directly buy a 226 IQD trinket. No p2w
Because the gold is being purchased with IRL cash.
I don’t really understand this statement, I pay no more then $15 a month and I can still buy carries just fine. I’ve never bought a token.
The Mythic boosting and PVP boosting basically guarantee drops. In a Mythic boost they will load the raid with your class/loot spec so there is a near guarantee that the drops from each drops can be funneled to you.
Gold farmed in game and used to buy a boost isn’t pay 2 win.
Tell me what you get from the Carry.
Let’s say you bought KSM for about $350.
You bought 10x M+15 dungeon runs. It would drop 10x ilevel 207s loots and you would get 1x ilevel 226 from the Vault.
Your total ilevel would be just around ilevel 207 to 210s.
Are you elite after that? Could you now queue at M+15s with your ilevel 210? FYI, M+15 group are getting ilevel 220+ people. And when people scrutinize your rio page, it would should you would only have 10x +15 keystone with 0x +10 keystone and 0x +5 keystone completed. A legit M+15 player would have SEVERAL +10 keystone completion. And when you do get invited to M+15, I would feel sorry for that group. You would pull down the group to disaster becoz of your lack of experience.
So how did the players that are carrying you get to the point they can carry you, did they also pay?
Based on some people’s definition of P2W, the AH is P2W and has existed since Vanilla, so the game has been P2W since day 1.
Why are we posting about it so passionately 15+ years later? Do you want Blizzard to remove the AH?
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Basically is not 100%
Nor is every carry guaranteed to be armor/loot stacked.
Pay to win means I pay blizzard X amount for Y product. And it’s guaranteed
Players inside the game cannot guarantee any of that. You can get lucky of course, but no guarantees.
Sure you can, you can buy the gold from bliz, then set up a boost that will run you through until you get said trinket. People do that all the time. Mythic raid carries typically happen more in the EU.
That is irrelevant. They are being paid with gold obtained with IRL cash that was sold by the creator of the game.
So is WoW P2W or not?
Cause it can’t be both, its mutually exclusive.
I can farm up gold in WoW and pay for a boost. No extra $$ needed.
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Except no matter how much you run M+ you can’t get a 226 trinket, thats only from the vault.