Cool, you saw that I didn’t bother with Mythic+ this season with this character. 
Play the game without the addons and get back to me about how “easy” it was for ya.
Until then, you don’t know what you are talking about. 
Not my claim to prove, sport! I understand that this is a difficult concept for you to grasp, but I’m here to help.
Guys like you are hilarious. So concerned with how other people play the game when you don’t actually engage with anything challenging.
I tried to go back and re-experience blackrock depths, the whole dungoen this time and the entirety of sunken temple… even classic players are the same as retail players. They just rush through it and aoe spam kill everything. I was thinking maybe it was just this “one” group …. Nope. They are also chain spamming scarlet monastery and every other dungeon. Gone are the days of old. 
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Don’t care how YOU play the game. If your idea of playing the game is to have a UI that tells you how to play the game the entire time that’s on you. I know that this is serious business for some players like yourselves, but it’s not really that big of a deal for me.
But you area in denial if you think that this doesn’t affect how the game is played and the challenge of it in relation to classic where the great bulk of these tools didn’t exist, not to mention playin retail with out them.
… There were add-ons in vanilla too lmao.
And some of those actually DID play the game for you, which is why they got banned.
This guy. 
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Much like I don’t use WA (I did look into it and tried it out and decided that it too heavily affected how the game was played and I didn’t like it), I didn’t use those addons either. I do agree that it was good that they got removed. They should remove WA too. These tools are too much of a crutch and too heavily affect game design.
No man ever steps in the same river twice, for he is not the same man and the river is not the same river. - Old Greek Guy
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This
/tencharacters
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Doesn’t even play like vanilla.
So your saying the art in “Dawn of the Infinite” is terrible? Or that it doesn’t manage the theme of time-travel well?
Blizz has said they don’t mind when add-ons or Weak Auras customize how information is presented on our screens/sounds, as long as they are not giving us information we are not allowed to have. I think that’s a fair distinction. They can break individual weak auras if they feel they go too far.
Even in the days of old, we didn’t all play the game the same. We don’t all have the same personalities and that’s ok. We each enjoy the game in our own ways. One great thing about modern WoW: We have this nifty tool called group finder. Group Finder is your friend. You can use it to find people who want to play the game YOUR way. All you have to do is start a group and give a fair description of the experience you are looking for. Unfortunately, many players would rather join random groups with random strangers, then complain when those players don’t read their minds and play the way they want.
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Third party add-ons, youtube videos, third party game guides. Oh sure, you all play the game by yourself. Sure, Sure you do. Oh wait, looks like you really don’t. Hmm…Blizzard should just place a red button on the ui that activates the auto-battle ability. Then you can sit back and let the computer resolve the outcome. Oh wait, wait! Blizzard already has done that by allowing players face-palm spam runs. Now look at that! You don’t even need to do anything in a dungeon but follow the leader to the last boss and you are done in 5 minutes. Plenty of time to paint your toe nails. Great! Wow has become a mobile game.
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Addons = oh look mommy and daddy I can ride my bike all by myself. See I am a big kid now. Junior here forgot about the training wheels still attached to the bike. lol
I miss it and I don’t.
It was fun back then because everything felt - and was - fresh and exciting. Rare loot was rare and epic drops even more so, so the incentive to run multi-hour dungeons was there.
But it was also harder to find groups without LFD and, like now, there was no guarantee you’d finish a dungeon with the same party as you started with, if you finish at all. If a player DC’d or rage-quit, that was it. Sure, you could go back to Ironforge or Orgrimmar to spam the LFG channel for replacements, but that was also a crapshoot, especially if you were two or more bosses in.
Nostalgia is nice but I prefer modern WoW because I was there when old WoW was new.
The genie is out of the bottle with Addons but let’s not pretend that they dont fundamentally alter the challenge of the game. If you play Classic without them it’s a different experience. Some players don’t want to admit how much all these tools change the game.
Classic isn’t “easy” if you don’t play with all the addons. I don’t play WoW like that. I also don’t run to a video or WoWhead every time I hit a roadblock. I don’t go out of my way to optimize my gear either, which is a huge component to trivializing classic content.
Many players went back to classic with all the tools, got all the best gear, and anything they didn’t know, they simply looked up or watched a playthough on, of course it’s not going to be the same challenging experience.
Do it without any of those crutches and yes, thee game has it’s challenge.
Do Mythic+ 25 without any of those things and it will be mostly impossible for those same players.
Players use these addons and help sites as training wheels and baby pacifiers. kinda funny that they think they are elite players. Gee, I wonder what would happen if Blizz banned all this addon junk?
Padgarre tosses in flashbang and breeches the dungeons entrance with super speed. His super soaker 9,001B ready to blast! He scans the room and reports back “multiple hostiles in the vacinity send in the drone”
Mechagnome enters the room and eyes light up as lasers point at all targets. The Gnome pulls out a big gun (queue ACDC Big Gun music), and it starts firing. The camera pans from trash pack to trash pack as they all go down. A murloc in the distance has it’s hands in the air and eyes wide open.
“Targets eliminated” the Mechagnome reports back.
Now that friends is how you dungeon crawl!!!
Padgarre drops keyboard and leaves the Thread…
I started a thread in Dungeons part of forum with my ratings for DF dungeons (and why I rated them that way). Would be interested to get your thoughts there: Rank the Dragonflight Dungeons (beyond knee-jerk reactions)
Hard disagree. I exclusively pugged them via LFD.
It wasn’t hard telling people to use their CCs and they almost always listened without a single retort.
The max wipes I’ve had was like 3 on the Stonecore boss #3 because some players didn’t want to clear the surrounding trash.
Edit: And in the initial runs of each dungeon, when no one had a clue on what to do.
HoO was “fun”.