That’s exactly why I am in a guild, so I don’t have to pug a heroic.
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thats RNG , pure and simple . The vault is a bonus chance at loot not a guarentee that you will get something .
The whole respect my time thing is a just a big joke . Started by an onwer operator of a streamer and then followed by the sheep. Bliz owes us nothing . The whole " I want it all , I want it now" crowd are what is ruining this game
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I can’t find a single thing I can disagree with and I read it twice.
Well said good sir.
There is one differences though that you are missing, and its a very very important one.
Old wow had a stopping point, it had an end game.
Back in classic, BC, and wrath, you had a hard stopping point at which your character was finish, you were done, you did not need to do more, you were BIS, and that point of reaching it was fairly quick. Thats not a bad thing, this is a game, not a job. ONce you got tier set and your Trinkets/weapon taht was it you were done. It respected your time better because there was a set point that you effectively “Won” that expiation.
That point no longer really exists and worse blizzards tries to drack out that experience for as long as possible. Now there are 3 tiers of “Raid” gear, normal, heroic, and mythic, all of which you get by doing the same thing just at higher difficulties so now you grind out all your normal gear, then heroic gear, then you get to fish more or less for mythic gear. This is a disrespect of your time because it puts the end point nearly unreachable for most people, that end point being mythic geared. They also heavily rely on the vault which is a weekly lock out for gearing, and the vault came with a reduction of loot per boss kill in a raid, and reduction of M+ loot as well.
Now you need to farm your gear, socket it, which you cant just add a socket you gotta max your vault, to get currency to put a socket on an item. you then have to wait a week to get your tier token upgrade, you are capped on how much stones and crests you can get to upgrade your things ect ect ect.
Yes, and at that point, there was nothing to strive for, and the game was not as alt friendly, so it was done.
Moreover, the game decided “the end point”, not you.
Now, WoW provides new opportunities, new challenges, a chance to seek even more.
This isn’t better or worse and it has nothing to do with respecting your time. It’s just different. One is like playing an rpg to the end, where you defeat the final boss. Then you go play a new game. The other is having WoW be the new game as well. From Blizzard’s standpoint, the other is obviously more profitable, and Blizzard (nee Microsoft) is for-profit business, but this isn’t about respecting your time, just about selling a different product. You get to choose any end-point you want.
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I didnt hit max level until WoD came out.
By “alt friendly” he means you couldnt just skip the entire game and do molten core on a different character.
In Wrath, Gear levels went from 200-280 at level cap.
In TWW, Gear levels go from 558-639.
Wrath had 80 ilvls, TWW has 81.
It took 20-40 hours to get from 70 to 80 in Wrath depending on the average person’s capabilities (not the world first rushers). It took 12 hours for me, an extreme casual to get my first, non-buffed character from 70-80 in TWW.
In Wrath, you had to run 10N to unlock 10H, which unlocked 25N, which unlocked 25H. This took 4-6 weeks depending on your guild. In TWW, you can grind mythic dungeons and be raid ready in a couple of weeks, tops, if you are extremely slow and casual.
Every expac has a stopping point. 639 is TWW’s. However, with M+, you should be done at +8s, and people are pushing +17 of their own free will. It is not a matter of not having a stopping point, it is a matter of some players choosing not to stop.
Must be nice having some unsubbed dwarf translating what was actually meant by other people.
People’s expectations for instant gratification are getting worse than ever. I totally understand what it’s like to chase dopamine, but sheesh.
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How? None of the above was in legion… unless you are talking about ap and legos lol.
There is always going to be some kind of time sink. But pretty much all of the nonsense was gone by legion.
Best post I’ve read in a long time.
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kinda got lost half way down but if I had a opinion on weather or not wow respects our time then no it doesn’t.
If I had to put it a word on why it doesn’t it would be that nothing in the game has any weight to it, nothing to feel proud of, no accomplishment.
an example from my past experience back in bc i spent hours a day sometime 2 other time 10 whatever free time I had I would farm mote to make primal to sell in the AH so I can get the 5k I needed to buy epic flying just so I could start the netherwing dailyes so I could get a cool dragon mount. This took me a few month but I never felt my time was wasted since I knew there a reward waiting for me at the end.
Can’t say the same today everything feel more given to you then earn and though yes there alway been rng with loot and gear it feel much worst, even leveling kinda sucks now, it has no weight, no reward no joy, it just a number that will useally go up 10, 20 , 30 times in the next hour or 2, I can understand wanting to get to max level and do your endgame stuff but why tell me to level and explore the game world when you level so fast it over before you really get started, can’t run dungeon either or it cut down you leveling and explore time even shorter.
I don’t remember who said it but I do agree that M+ was a mistake and should never have been put in the game, I get not wanting to be in a big group and do the raids but I need those big number on my gear, why the world context is brain dead easy normal dungeon gear is all you really need for that, pvp they have there gear not needed there either they have there pvp gear. At this point it feel like to me that M+ gear is only there to do harder M+ to get higher gear got to make the number go up which in truth is the other problem this game has in that what alot of player care about anymore is big number on the gear so that what most of the rewards have turn into now which is boring.
If I had some positives the combat ok not great but it works, the Horde races are cool but I’ve alway been a fan of the horde never like playing human base characters in a fantasy game.
That about all I can think of sorry it became a bit of a rant so How everyone else doing.
I never say this because I can just log off. It’s M+ that is the time waster, so if you’re lost in that sauce then you deserve it honestly.
I also never would think about saying that back in the day because I was literally the last person to hit 60. My friends used to talk so much crap to me because it took me like 3 months to hit 60 lol. I savored the game, what can I say. I also LOVED world PVP. I used to just stalk people while they quested, I wouldn’t even attack them sometimes, I just wanted to creep them out.
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Guess that makes us even LOL
Yes. The issue is humans play it differently and blizz caters gameplay to those who min max it.
Product of the times.
People get angst if they are not getting a dopamine hit every 5 seconds and it gets rationalized as an external problem, “wow doesn’t respect my time!”.
Add increasing levels of narcissism and you get people who can’t understand why a game for millions of players isn’t tailored especially for them.
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guess I’m just built different or just older in my 40s but if you want something you work for it and if it took you a few months that just how it is never had that must have it now mindset
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The only time I don’t feel like my time is respected is when I can’t upgrade my gear due to Valorstones, but I have enough crests.
It wasn’t enough that I raided and do M+, now I ALSO need to go farm Valorstones for no reason other than Blizzard said so. I either don’t feel rewarded or I feel my time is being played with, either one can suffice.
At 50 I am in the same boat. I spend hundreds of hours trying to chase stuff from “All the Things” addon, it’s how I spend my time. And back in Wrath when I wanted to be a hardcore raider, I put in that 40-50 hours a week while I went back to college for my masters. We spend time how we see fit, and if the juice is worth the squeeze.