DK? on retail prob has the most key binds that I’ve seen with bloated pet micro? But like disc priest atm on retail has like 15 binds. I had like x3 just because of down ranked dispel protections, heals alone vanilla - TBC. Mage was also silly
After what break? You been actively playing S1 and S2 of DF… Nothing changed since then bro. Hell, nothing even changed since SL.
Keybinds are fine, you just need to set them properly and get used to using them. You can get 30+ keybindings just by pressingg CTR+Shift+Alt+(1-5 and wsad etc.) the rest is skill issue.
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Why do you hate to say it?
keybinds are definitely overwhelming for new or returning players and it always takes me a moment to commit everything back to muscle memory but I don’t think that’s changing any time soon. But there are some classes that have limited keybinds that are much more manageable. For example play dev evoker for casters or demon hunter for melee. Those also happen to be some of the strongest specs in the game.
I don’t know man. I’d have to actually look myself to get concrete data but I see duels for instance and people use like 4 buttons lol. Even SoD boomy has like:
Wrath
Starfire
Starsurge
Moonfire
Sunfire
Decurse
Abolish poison
MotW
Thorns
Roots
Regrowth
Rejuv
HT
Hurricane
Uhm… off the top of my head I can’t think of any others that are actually used realistically (pve or pvp). Of course forms and other abilities in those forms but that’s true of retail too. And again, that’s sod. Some of those buttons don’t actually exists in vanilla.
Meanwhile retail has all of those (sans hurricane and the dispels are combined) plus more like wild charge is usable in boomy with various uses, typhoon, mushrooms, stellar flare if talented, woe/treants, foe, moons if talented, beam, massroot/ursol’s, HotW, NV, Incarn, stamp roar, etc etc. I’m at work so I’m not delving into this too much here but I just can’t see it. I mean again, sure I could include 6 individual ranks of healing touch or something but… that’s kinda meh ya know? lol. I know I personally have over 20 keybinds on my mouse alone.
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I am really curious how much of a decline in participation we get from low level pvp just being way less of a thing these days. Especially with how world pvp before current content does not happen even if you level by questing in the old world. There’s no first time stepping into STV or Crossroads being under attack for new players to practice PvP while they only have eight abilities.
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Is not like you will get any practice getting ganked by a higher level player.
Remember “dont make me get my main”. The reason why I loved to pvp when I first started playing where small skirmishes, not getting 5v1 and tbagged by horde players that had nothing better to do. Low level bgs could be useful but low level open world pvp is just as useless as max level wpvp
…Do you think this is what all wpvp was?
Not all bust most yes. First time I played wow wqs back in 2009 in a crappy pserver that I cant even remember the name. There were small 1v1 and 2v2battles in all leveling zones, people asking for help and such… that was cool. But you wont fiol nobody if you try to twll us wpvp was ever fair or balanced.
Raging blow spam is bloat forsure. And not having to use crusader strike feels good on ret.
But i got say swtor did a prune and it feels horrible. Less toolkit to deal with stuff does not feel good. I’m sure some specs have some bloat but taking more than 1 or 2 spells will feel horrible most likely.
I like that i have a root/slow/disarm and all the utlity arms can bring with out i think it would feel freaking horrible. Maybe adding some stuff off the global cooldown would make it flow better like sweeping strikes.
Ffxiv has stuff of the global and u can weave stuff in between your normal gcds.
Hell no, im comoketely the oppsite I want to use templar strikes I hate csaa. I want to press my skills
I use those globals to heal myself or utility on ret u must have a good healer lol. Hitting crusader strike i wud deff die alot more on ret.
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It absolutely never has been.
But it’s a pendulum. One side ganks, the other side gets a group to counter gank, and a bunch of players who are anxious about 1v1ing get to take turns rolling around together getting used to using their abilities and having at least some level of emotional investment in sticking it to the other faction that keeps them engaged.
Saying wpvp is just high levels ganking low levels isn’t really giving credit for the full scope of how wpvp encounters play out.
The reason why you can afford to do that is because csaa just feeds you so much passive hp. That is a balance issue. Csaa is the stronger option no question. But that has to change. Never in no case should a fire and forget talent choice outperform (hy THIS MUCH) someone actually oressing their buttons.
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Maybe yes
Nah
I hear what you’re saying but this just isn’t the wave anymore in 2024 gaming. No one’s got time for that
If it wasn’t for the fact that i learned the basics and general culture of this game when i was younger, i probably wouldn’t even bother with it now. People just don’t want to spend excess time learning the game anymore
Yesterday I spent like an hour looking over heroic amirdrassil guides and videos, excited to jump into a pug and get some loot. Get in and the raid bricks because most people don’t know the fights. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth because i invested my own time for nothing. Leaves a bad taste in those other people’s mouths because they don’t want to be challenged for rewards, etc. Just compounds until you’re left with a community that doesn’t want to interact with other players because everyone is on a different page of expectations
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Trying to do that with my pally but it’s such an awful experience
35 bracket is the most alive, you quickly reach it but you very quickly out level it
Then the queus are dead. The bgs take forever to pop, especially between 40 and 60
Full of twinks. you can try to twink but it takes a disproportionate amount of time to deck out your toon just to outlevel all the gear in a few bgs
But when i did get into a bg it was a blast. Also feels good being comfortable with my rotation as or before i hit max level. This should be the staple. Leveling should be apart of this game again.
That’s a personal issue on them. The human mind is wired to function in challenge —-> reward patterns. They have something wrong with them.
Also it does not take an hour to digest heroic raid content. The most popular YouTube channel does 60 seconds per boss and DBM tells you what to do.
Between reviewing builds, enchanting gear, watching videos, and reading up on tips yeah it took about an hour
Nothing wrong with coming prepared 
it is just you yeah
we had a bunch of abilities through mop which added a bunch of complexity and skillcap to each class
going into wod they pruned classes down to a small handful of buttons with almost no utility and the game had never been worse
just play more and adjust instead of asking for the game to be worse
Holy power comes from blade of justice and medicoredam judge. The passive is just nice. But hey who am i . Im sure they will nerf it so it makes sure i cant heal at all lol. Damage is so high now crusader strike feels like a red headed step child.
I wish i had rend on mortal strike always not just at 30%. and sweeping strikes ogcd.