I think many people would agree with me that Cataclysm what the turning point for them when they stopped playing wow. This was the case for me and many of my friends that played. I blame this mostly on the removal and simplification of RPG elements from the game. Removing the Weapon mastery system and simplifying the talent system. I think it would be a waste to do the same thing over again.
I think it should be seriously considered at this point to do something new. Instead of removing & simplifying systems, Letâs expand them, double down on the RPG elements and expand them and implement new systems.
One last note: Bring back LFG. Do not reimplement LFR. Getting groups together is a pain, and LFG made groups easier esp for a tank or a healer who pretty much got instant queues because theyâre always in demand.
Disagree, cata and MoP were my favorites behind wrath. The overcomplication of talents and lack of dungeon finder is a major turn off to casual players.
Yeah, after Wrath. Iâm done with any other classic version. Now, give us all the unfinish stuff that was meant to be in vanilla/tbc and you will have one happy customer here.
This is an awkward junction indeed. I really have no intentions of playing ccata and beyond, but if a friend asked me I would check it out I guess. There are other MMOs on the horizon including Ashes of Creation and Riotâs MMO that look interesting to me.
For WoW to keep me playing they would have to cater to players like me specifically with a classic+ type of deal. I doubt that will happen, so I will probably just move on the greener pastures.
I disagree about LFG though. Looking for a group is one of the few things that is a classic only experience. Changes shouldnât be made for the soul purpose of convenience. Compared to vanilla, we now have summon stones, mounts at 20, 2 man summon requirement, nerfed pre 60 content etc etc. LFG takes all of these changes, which already harm other aspects of the game, and negates them since players can just click a button from a menu.
I am not against changes, but classic must remain distinctly classic for me to stay.
There is no reason for Blizzard to specifically cater to me⊠I never said there was. I was simply stating what blizzard would have to do to keep ME as a customer. I also indicated how likely that was and that I already resigned to other options.
However, saying Cata+MoP are âBetterâ expansions is extremely subjective. I played casually up until Cata and well, it wasnât for me. Apparently it wasnât for a lot of people since Wrath is considered the Peak of subscriptions. I have heard a multitude of excuses for why that is, but IMO a lot of people got tired of changes that started in Wrath. Cata went full send on decisions that werenât all that popular in Wrath. LFG is one of those changes.
But then, we arenât talking about players from way back when. We are talking about the Classic player base. A player base whose largest and most vocal group foam at the mouth when you mention things like LFG or Transmog.
They foam at the mouth because they have an entitlement issue(s) where they believe only THEY deserve access to certain portions of the game because they played it before other(s) did.
LFG/D was the best addition to WoW. while on the other hand, LFR(Raid) was the worst. In an ever evolving game, they decided to not evolve with the game and get stuck in a system that is dated. Cata and MoP were 2 of the best expansions added into the game, Wrath was so big because of Arthas and Arthas alone.
Why the majority of Classic players prefer a game without changes is of no consequence of this discussion. Blizzard may, or may not release Classic Cata to those players. You could argue that the whole Classic experiement is FOR them. If you prefer the creature comforts of retail, there is a game for you. The same couldnât be said for Classic WoW enjoyers.
Your claims to Wrathâs popularity is pure opinion backed up by nothing. You could say the same thing about Cata. âCata was only popular because of Deathwing.â The truth is, the vast majority of players then AND today donât give a ratâs about WoW Lore like that. I will counter your opinion with MY opinion: Wrath was popular because many new players saw the Success of TBC and wanted to jump in on a fresh expansion. As a result, Wrath made more and more concessions for the new players to catch them up to endgame which continued well passed wrathâs expiration culminating in the retail experience a lot of players are fleeing from.
In classic, there is little reason to cater to ânew playersâ like Lich King did. And if you really want to boost your toon, open your wallet I guess⊠The reason dungeon finder was added was to be a catch up for low level and new players who are questing in empty zones. The issue is that by the end of Wrath, the majority of the players sit in Dalaran spamming dungeons to grind their heroics. This ironically contributes to less players out in the world. No more running to a stone and summoning.
I am of the opinion that this isnât a behavior that should nurtured. There are already 9999999 comfort mechanics in place to negate the issues with getting a group. Get on your epic flying and just go to the summon stoneâŠ
Classic 1 Van/TBC/Wrath. Classic 2 cataclysm/mop/legion <-Letâs skip WOD!. But youâre 100% bro Van/tbc/wrath is a standalone game. Cata/Mop isnât. But I still enjoyed those expansions. MoP was one of my favorite. I just donât want them to expansion Wrath. Do classic 2 and make it everything cataclysm +.
Firstly, the talent system was not simplified, merely changed. As far as one can quantify complexity, there is no appreciable change in the amount of nuance available within the system of talent specialization.
Secondly, itâs highly important of course to distinguish between what is and is not classic, but an even more important distinction is what is and is not available in retail. I can set my time walking to burning Crusade or Lich King or vanilla, but I cannot replay those expansions. The experience is simply completely unavailable within the context of retail. The same is not true for cataclysm and mists.
I could Global enemies in the underwater Zone in cataclysm and I can do it in retail. No one is claiming there are no nuances, of course.
Been thinking on it tbh I wouldnât mind Cata all that much as a Raider the majority of the Raid-Tiers were great minus Dragon Soul and PvP was arguably at its peak between Cata-MoP (Some would extend this as far as WoD at least in terms of Arena poor Rated BGs died.)
Their approach with Cata is to obviously see what parts of it people donât like I.E. the Talent Capstoning is probably gonna be one of the things I imagine theyâd kill and potentially even let us keep 3.3.5 trees with some tweaks which would be interesting to see play out certainly would change the dynamics up.
Obviously, the giant downside is Cata is when the game introduced a lot of net negatives from portals to just about everywhere, arguably flying across the whole old world and the revamp in general which while needed did butcher a lot of peopleâs favorite zones at the end of the day and even then Cata is still uh a giant balancing chaos hole with a fair amount of its stuff.
A part of me feels like Blizz wants to do a better version of âCataâ but I think even if they do itâll also reveal the glaring flaws of Cata, even more, it was the expansion that really killed Pugging overall (Wrath started it with the community deciding Gearscore was so important and Blizzard embracing it was a nail in the coffin.) the general sense of community also began to die around that point as well its really the end of the classic âeraâ because its the introduction of a lot of elements that while not bad at the time would go on to become toxic for the game in general. Honestly its weird because when I think of an expansion that isnât bad nor all that amazing just meh and even straight-up forgettable at times Cata comes to mind. (The only BIG stand out to me in Cata was grinding out the Molten Front and Firelands.)
I personally have zero interest in cataclysm. It was bad, except for some pvp that I did back then. Would not do again however. MoP I actually liked and WoD was fine.
If they did Cataclysm with major changes, I think I might be interested in that, but I think that may be too large of an undertaking if the objective is to keep classic classic. But honestly, classic+ in any flavor is interesting to me.