WoW: Better written than Star Trek?

I’m sure this’ll get some fans riled up, but I’ve been impressed with the cinematics and storyline in WoW’s various subplots, particularly the Ysera / Tyrande / Malfurion arc concluding (?) in Ardenweald. Weaves together a bunch of threads that didn’t seem related at first. I haven’t played in more than two years but I can watch those cinematics and think that they’ve brought those characters right back to where I knew them from Warcraft III and early WoW.

I admit that video game plots have a much lower bar for me than television. But in contrast, Star Trek: Picard continues to hobble along, butchering characters, slinging mud on the title character and making us feel sorry for him more than enriching his legendary role. Did he really just sit there in a bar eating a plate of fish by himself with six or seven adoring cadets pelting him with questions, only to conclude with a glass smile “Starfleet is the only family I’d ever need?” Picard always had that aspect to his character, and it’s happening in these very schizophrenic flashbacks to add flavor to his present-day situation, but come on have the writers even thought about what that would be saying to these young aspiring officers? Why should they clap when he says that? And how much more character development are they going to do in a bar? They even wasted a few lines explaining why they can do a holodeck simulation of a bar as the ship is running out of juice for life support.

Also, what’s this with conjuring a child for Riker, born off camera, died off camera, and put a rift his family in the process? It’s not like what we saw in Season 1, which was all of three years ago.

There’s a villain (or, wait, it’s a network of villains) stuck in there–the central persona is now revealed to be little more than a pawn of greater powers, themselves a mere echo of the sinister and surreptitious foes they were in Deep Space Nine. Set beside the futuristic narcotic use which the writers have attached to another character (played by a veteran actor who we are supposed to root for) Picard’s new foe reminds me of a heroine addict. I am subscribed to Paramount+ for the duration of Season 3 for the intellectual masochism.

At least the got Worf about right. And, Strange New Worlds is doing well, keeping the Trek spirit alive. Ironic that the endearing story of the Enterprise’s first voyages is a spinoff of Discovery, a vessel whose five-year mission seems to be diluting three generations of lore by twisting an episodic adventure with allegories into a lurching opera where characters all but break the fourth wall to deliver overt political messaging.

In contrast to Trek’s crumbling legacy, with some woodblock animation, the right camera angles, creative storytelling, and adequate voice acting, WoW has produced some pretty moving episodes. Granted, the Warcraft movie was a mixed bag–but it’s not why I ever played. In game, the very pretentious N’Zoth kill and underwhelming collapse of the Black Empire was disappointing, and I know Shadowlands had its problems, but I’m tempted to be charitable and chalk a lot of that up to the pandemic (planning for Shadowlands would have been happening at the start of the lockdowns). And yet, still, they managed to pull out a couple of good storylines and set up for the authentic and compelling story in Dragonflight, all under the constraint of making this happen in the context of gameplay mechanics.

It’s long been said that games are the next big medium of art, and the fact that Christie Golden has written for Star Wars and Star Trek says a lot to me. Is she a career ActiVision contract at this point? It also says a lot that the voluminous literature in both those franchises has been given little more than some Easter eggs, although I have heard that the new Trek shows are borrowing a lot of lore from the video game franchise, which I can only imagine is pretty bad.

The latest Star Trek installments strike me as what happens when you try to make a TV show take after a video game. The WoW saga strikes me as what happens when you take veteran writers and promise them that the game engine will make a faithful, albeit modest, rendition of their script.

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The new star treks are so insanely far removed from the old, I just see them as some very expensive fan fiction. :woman_shrugging:

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Roddenberry would’ve hated the Picard series and the lens flare movies. All the new stuff I have seen has been a far cry from his original vision and throws so much of his morality into the gutter for ratings.

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Just because it says Star Trek doesn’t mean it is Star Trek. The writers for the current set of shows hate Star Trek and are as bad at writing as the writers of WoW. Of course they’re going to be trash.

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All the new Star Trek is still Star Trek. Just the tempo changed.

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Star Trek Discovery was good until they jumped like 1000 years into the future. Lol.

Especially when all of them weren’t immediately confused when their ship got upgraded with technology and suddenly knew how to use it all, even stuff that hadn’t been modified to look like old stuff for them.

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Oh, the time jump… the mother of all time jumps…

And it was all because of a Kelpien kid. Great. And then there was the part about Michelle Yeoh’s skin crawling like she’s a graphics card on the fritz, and people looking at her like “hmm, that’s kind of odd, do you feel OK?”

I thought the first season had some potential but totally agree they lost it after the second.

It wasn’t even the time jump per say that bothered me.

It was the fact they effectively set up an unavoidable event in the future that will ruin all future star trek series.

Why bother showing us improvements to Starships in the current timeline if we know that at a certain time, all starships are going to go BOOM or stop working?

They also cut out Michelle Yeoh, which was a horrible decision.

I haven’t watched since the episode they wrote out Tilly. She was pretty much the soul of the show and they just… wrote her out. And the worst part is no one knows why. The fandom speculates it’s because she gained weight and Star Trek’s production is notoriously infamous for having issues with actors being overweight.

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This thread is begging to get slammed into a locker.

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“KaAaAaAaAaHN!”

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The new Star Trek tv shows are mostly just fascist military recruitment ads, like the marvel movies.

The Orville is the only thing going that embraces the real Star Trek vision. Just with extra dick jokes.

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I’m still hoping they get renewed. Seth McFarlane said it’s still 50/50.

I imagine if it does get renewed, Kelly or Gordon will not be in it, since the actors divorced in real life after filming season 3.

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Star Trek resembles WoW in that as each iteration emerges, the story becomes more and more obfuscated by the social and political mores of the times. WoW better? I don’t know. One thing is certain, times have changed. Better? We’re on the brink of Civil War 2.0 or WWIII, take your pick.

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Knew it. Had to be a Warhammer 40k fan in here somewhere.

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better than star trek in what capacity? Don’t they have multiple branching stories versus our multi recurring protagonist ensemble?

I’m not a huge star trek fan but I think there’s like several varieties that only take place in the same universe but completely different casts

LoL, saying danuser’s writing is better than anything almost feel like a sin.

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Star Trek’s best years were the TOS ones, the follow-up shows all display a degradation in story-telling. For me its when there was multiple plots in a 60min show, made it seem like three 20min shows. There were good shows, but as time went buy and more series came and went the quality went into the garbage.

My alphabets soup has better writing.
Wait… Wait… … These are just spaghetti os.

Still better though.
:bowl_with_spoon: :dracthyr_comfy_sip: