To make concept art of your WoW character? Do you think it’s there yet?
https:/ /imgur.com/gallery/KdsmRTR
I had different artists draw these.
But I’m not sure how I’d feel about AI drawing Ravenhul.
What are your thoughts?
Midjourney and all other AI image generators have no idea how to draw male draenei. Only female ones. Dang ol fan artists not producing enough male draenei images for it to copy.
If I ask ChatGPT to tell stories about Miko it also assumes he is a girl. What is the problem with these machines.
Its stories are not that great, I asked it to tell a funny story and it gave me this
Miko was a formidable Draenei warrior, feared and respected by all who knew her. But what most people didn’t know was that she had a hilarious sense of humor and loved to make people laugh.
One day, Miko decided to play a prank on her fellow adventurers. She sneaked into their camp in the dead of night and planted a whoopee cushion under each of their sleeping bags.
The next morning, as everyone was getting up and stretching, they suddenly heard a loud farting noise coming from beneath their feet. They looked around in confusion, wondering where the noise was coming from, until they realized what Miko had done.
Miko burst out laughing, clapping her hands with glee. “Gotcha!” she exclaimed.
Her fellow adventurers couldn’t help but laugh too, despite the early hour and their groggy state. They knew better than to mess with Miko, but they couldn’t help but appreciate her silly sense of humor.
From then on, Miko made it her mission to keep the group laughing and entertained, whether by telling jokes, making silly faces, or pulling harmless pranks. And while she was still a fierce warrior in battle, her companions knew that she was always up for a good laugh too.
Girl Miko is clearly quite the trickster but as far as funny stories go I expect a bit more nuance than “she made people step on whoopee cushions”
Its second try was a little better
Miko was a Draenei warrior who had seen her fair share of battles and triumphs in the world of Azeroth. But despite her fierce reputation, Miko had a secret: she had a bit of a clumsy streak.
One day, Miko was in the middle of a heated battle when she swung her sword a bit too wildly and accidentally hit herself in the head. She stumbled backwards, dazed, and accidentally tripped over a rock. As she fell to the ground, her armor clanked loudly, alerting her enemies to her presence.
Miko groaned as she tried to stand up, but her armor had become tangled in the rock. She struggled to free herself, but only succeeded in making more noise. Her enemies closed in on her, and Miko prepared for the worst.
Just then, a group of nearby goblins noticed the commotion and decided to intervene. They charged into the fray, throwing bombs and causing chaos. Miko watched in amazement as the goblins fought off her enemies with reckless abandon.
In the confusion, Miko finally managed to free herself from the rock and joined in the battle. The goblins cheered as she fought alongside them, and before long, the enemies were defeated.
Miko grinned as she looked around at her unlikely allies. “Thank you for your help,” she said.
The goblin leader grinned back. “No problem, no problem!” he said. “Anything for a friend!”
Miko raised an eyebrow. “I don’t think we’re friends,” she said.
The goblin shrugged. “Eh, close enough!” he said.
Miko chuckled as she walked away, grateful for the goblins’ unexpected assistance. She couldn’t help but think that maybe, just maybe, her clumsy streak had finally paid off in the end.
Miko is such a clutz that he (she) hits self in head, and then is awkwardly standoffish and a little rude to the friendly goblin who saves him (her). I like that, good story. I also like the wistful sendoff about clumsiness paying off at the end, as if she has derived unique satisfaction from the awkward interaction with a goblin
So to answer your question yes I will use AI to generate stories about whoopee cushions or Miko or whatever
The ElevenLabs voice generator also fails on Draenei. If you try to clone a voice that doesn’t have an American or British accent it usually just purges the accent and makes the voice American.
This was the result for trying to clone the Draenei Male voice. Job security for “nondescript fantasy alien accent” voice actors is assured for the time being.
https://vocaroo.com/16afXWuUCHuP
It actually fails with any voice that has odd artifacts, including Thrall’s growl, so Metzen has nothing to worry about either. But this does sound orcy if not exactly like Thrall, so elevenlabs could be a nice tool for generating orc-sounding narrations for your RP event or whatever.
https://vocaroo.com/1fiE2SxTD9oC
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The generative age is coming. While current results vary – and, depending on the circle(s) you’re in, use of these tools is questionable – we’ll soon be in a world where you’ll be able to do far more than generate illustrations of your characters.
Hold on tight!
No.
Even if AI art generation was “there”, I’d rather continue to commission and support artists instead of generating a mishmash of their works without their permission. Besides, no matter how solid my idea for an art piece is, they will almost always have valuable input that ends up making the piece better than the original idea I proposed to them.
If the people behind the models took into account artists’ consent, and defaulted to opt-out and only used artworks of those who opted-in (and not by impersonators, because I am sure that would happen), I wouldn’t really care and I might even dabble in it myself just to see what it made. As it stands, however, I’m staying several miles away from the whole thing.
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Nah, I draw my characters myself! 
https://imgur.com/a/wPr7g1A
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As an artist whose spent most of my life to get only semi-decent at the craft, AI as it currently stands is an incredibly disrespectful practice. As Maxi said, until AI training can be properly opt-in and sourced from willing artists instead of regurgitating the works of talented professional artists who need their works to survive, I want nothing to do with it.
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Maybe once it can be used without using unwilling artist’s work.
But for now no, and I can’t afford commissions either, so I abstain from art of my characters for now.
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Good article on generative media: https://arr.am/2020/09/15/the-generative-age/
Any pro or hopeful creatives should get a handle on what’s coming IMO.
Most of what’s been said in this thread, is my opinion as well.
Seems like AI just steals artists work. I’d rather ensure the artist is being compensated.
That said, Hero Forge provides me enough for Norman.
https://i.imgur.com/twa1d4I.png
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We need to talk. I am trying to get artwork of my characters done. Some goofy/fun/bright pictures would be great to have.
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Absolutely not. Orcs may be bad guys but I am not bad guy.
When I get art, I get art because I like the artist and want the artist’s touch on a piece–I want what they see, what they feel, what they’ve lived. A machine can’t do that.
And presently, the AI art theft is unconscionable and I don’t want to support it.
However, I notice AI Art is becoming a lot like the NFT issue in which what begins as a coherent concern for artistic freedom and impact is swiftly becoming a litmus test to determine who can join the increasingly-exclusive ranks of Politically Acceptable. At least in my corner of the internet, I see accusations and frenzied hysterics flying the same way they do anything new happens and it’s being to push people out and condemn each other for clout.
This happens fairly routinely in progressive spaces. NFT markets are still around, but opposition to them has largely dried up, leaving only broken relationships and hurt feelings behind. And while I believe AI Art should be regulated, I think the circular firing squad already in effect has more or less assured it’ll never happen.
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Not at all.
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I’d rather just have actual artists who’ll do a better job.
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The first story is basically just Jester from Critical Role Campaign 2.
As for the AI art thing in general…I feel that it’s okay for people to use when they need a base to start from with their own art, or if they’re just making stuff for their own personal use that will never see the light of day elsewhere on the Internet. Like I use Stable Diffusion (and less now, but also Artbreeder) to create landscapes and settings for my own writing projects and some RP stuff purely for my own use and inspiration.
But it absolutely should NOT be used in any form of financial process because yeah, it’s just merging artworks together without artist consent and is essentially theft. I haven’t really kept up with the ChatGPT thing, though.
I mostly know about AI stuff from modding communities which have a much more positive view on it, so it is enlightening to hear how hostile artists are toward it.
In the modding communities I hang out in people use it for speech like this sort of mod
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/52279
Which is slightly controversial, since some voice actors like Steve Blum have come out against using their voices specifically, but for the most part nobody seems to care, since there is no “art commission” economy for voice actors really. If you were gonna voice act in a mod-level project you were probably gonna do it for free, because it is so incredibly niche that nobody was making money on it anyway.
Modders also use ChatGPT to do programming for them, where it is pretty extreme how different the attitudes are. Programmers seem mostly delighted to be made obsolete and have ChatGPT do the tedious stuff for them while they give it general guidance, even though I guess it is “stealing” people’s code from git repositories just as much as it is stealing art from people’s portfolios.
And using it to write stories is just fun, because while it can’t really produce a long coherent plot yet it can serve as a sort of dungeon master that develops things from a user’s prompts. It sounds funny but it could be a great tool for social anxiety too–I’m a really isolated person and as silly as it sounds I feel a bit better when I talk to ChatGPT for a while
I don’t know what the answers are for AI art, because even if we did regulate it in some way, and artists had to be compensated for being used in AI learning, would it change anything?
Ultimately, the source of anxiety here isn’t just that artists are being robbed at this moment, it is the prospect of artists being made obsolete in the future. If these companies paid some artists to use their portfolios it would be more expensive for them to get off the ground, but once the AI has the knowledge you get to the same outcome–an AI that can produce potentially human-quality works which renders people who make a living off of portraits or landscape art or anything else an AI can handle obsolete. If artists got paid at the beginning of the tech it would be more just, but as long as the tech exists some artists will be made obsolete.
Are we mad that people’s art is being used as learning material without compensation (sounds reasonable to me), or are we mad that this technology exists at all? Should the regulatory goal be compensation for artists, or complete prohibition of AI?
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Everything is going to be generative and there will be all sorts of licensing schemes but also, as always, piracy.
The stuff we can do with visuals, writing and music is already making people froth at the mouth, either out of anger or out of excitement/greed/etc.
The amount of people in my current industry eager to replace their colleagues with Chat GPT is alarming, for example.
no because I’m a hater and because AI doesn’t have the creativity that humans have
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I keep a loaded gun in my desk drawer in case my printer makes a funny noise.
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Just because you personally don’t know about a voice acting commission economy doesn’t mean it isn’t there. Fiverr and Cameo are two websites that I know just off the top of my head where you can commission voice actors from, both amateur and professional. Writing AIs and Voice AIs are also art theft even if the theft isn’t as obviously traceable as it is with drawings. And it’s just as much of a problem.
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