What do you think of it?
Depends on how low. If their low but keeping up with the person above them, then meh. But if their low as in their being out DPS’ed by a healer, then get out.
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yes get outta here
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especially heroic lol
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depends on the context.
but for a pug?
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If they are a guildie or friend then they can stay. A pug, yep, getting kicked from a even a normal raid, I don’t do free carries. A heroic for sure.
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if they cant out dps my undergeared and underplayed alts on there main, then yes, they are gone.
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If it’s below either the tanks or especially the healers. I know corruptions blur the lines, but come on man.
Even then I only kick when I’m raid leading on Heroic 10 man. Every bit of firepower counts with a low number, especially on N’Zoth.
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I am not the raid leader of my guild anymore, so I leave that decision to her.
But generally speaking, if the boss is dying then one or two carries is okay, but if the boss is not dying then may have to replace.
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Yeah.
Hell, I’d kick top DPS for a klondike bar if I felt like it.
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Attempted Flow Chart for DPS -> Do they stand in bad and cause wipes? -> Kick
Avoid Bad -> Keep -> is their DPS sufficient -> no -> Does it matter? -> yes ^
v<----------------------------------------------------------------------------<V
No --------------^
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In PuGs? When people clearly aren’t pulling their weight (and by that I mean doing dps less than comparable to a 20 ilvl loss)? When you are failing mechanics due simply to not killing things quick enough?
Yeah, I’d give them a warning and ask them to step up and if they don’t I don’t see amyrhing wrong with saying “sorry, you are negatively impacting our ability to do this content as your damage isn’t reasonable. We have given you the opportunity to improve but since you haven’t shown that you can we are going to have to drop you”
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Oh lord did that flowchart not translate well onto the forums.
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attempted was qualified in the post 
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If those low dps are preventing bosses from being downed, yes. I cannot keep people who aren’t performing and causing raid wipes and inconvenience the other people actually doing their jobs and pulling their weight.
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Low DPS can stay until the raid starts running into trouble that better DPS could help resolve. No, it’s not just enrage timers. Defaulting to kicking low DPS over any and all issues is stupid, but DPS -does- help push through hard parts of fights faster, which is often overlooked in these dicussions.
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I agree and blaming low dps in heroics which results of me getting kicked which isn’t even my own fault I do 20k-30k dps since I do more in normal.
Forced to do mythic+ just to get gear now 
Indeed, and the same goes for people who disregard all mechanics to boast about their meter performance as they wipe the raid. Dealt with those types almost as much as the dead weight stinkers. Have actually seen people just stand in fire and scream for heals then get upset when they die because their stupid/second was outpacing heals/second
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At 464 you should be pulling 50k+ dps. If you’re pulling 20, I would kick you as well. I’ve had to kick my own guildies for situations like that because if they’re below the tanks (which at 20k you are in most situations) that’s not justifiable to keep.
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I’ve voluntarily dumped myself in guild raids if I thought my DPS was weak and anyone who cares about the well being of their raid team shouldn’t feel ashamed to do the same.
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