I do want to get into it because I would just have to write out a lot, much more than I can afford because I am actually working on something else today (giving a speech soon).
However, a short answer for the cultural thing is that I find the more informed a society seems to be, the more the values seem to be universal with other informed societies. Those with higher emotional intelligence seem to have an intuitive truth about morals. I also think in general people poopoo intuitive knowledge which I directly blame a lot of the current world’s problems on. Sure, someone’s gut could be wrong about something, but I think if one takes the time and really listens to that inner voice clearly, its not going to lead them wrong.
Gosh, I did not even know about this one…I have been learning Blizz had been somewhat retconning a lot lately. Apparently Forsaken were not experimenting on captured people either not…
Yeah, since its a part of the next patch (its a ptr thing) you dont yet know because its “bit spoilery” but its not really on the spoiler field since its a retelling of events we know.
And in that re-telling, they removed the sentance : “Goblins enslaved by the zandalari mined Kaja-mite” into “Zandalari forced the goblins to mine Kaja-mite”
Which is super dumb if you ask me, between forced labor and slavery there is little difference…
I understand what you mean, but i am wondering if the environnement we live in itself is not whats shape said inner voice, if you get what i mean.
Well, when Xe’ra explained to us all about how Illidan was a misunderstood hero, she forgot to mention all the Broken slaves, so I guess they never happened now.
Though Naladu is still in Revendreth for helping Illidan enslave his people so who knows lol.
Ive debated this with myself a lot and its a difficult question.
Yes, our surroundings play a huge role in shaping who we are. However, I state that our environment teaches us as opposed to making us. Astrophysicist Charles Liu spoke about free will in a debate as a variety of options we pick up from our surroundings.
So an example would be: “Such and such happens, how do you respond?”
Your previous experiences gives insight to picking A,B,C or D as a option as opposed to “Your nature only allows you to hold and use one option.”. The more educated and intuitive we become it seems the more we all pick similar options, even if they go against our nature.
The Dark Irons are a tricky comparison because technically when they were still hostile, they were also slaves themselves. So they didn’t necessarily have a lot of control over how they ran things in Blackrock Depths at the time because Ragnaros’ minions were overseeing their activities.
It’s not really known if they enslaved captives prior to their downfall in the War of the Three Hammers or if they still do since Ragnaros’ defeat, so that may have all been part of their elemental masters just broadly classifying any mortals in their possession as disposable minions and forced labor.
I always thought the broken were cool but to be honest, I don’t think I would play one.
Manari are cool, but I still couldn’t play one for long before I race changed. When it comes to playing as one, The Draenei just don’t do it for me, I suppose.
For my part, I remember absolutely loathing Xera from the start. Blizzard really had me fooled - I was dreading Xera being like the pinnacle of “good” for expacs upon expacs going forward… and then she got blown up in a very satisfying manner.
And the way everyone except Turalyon seems to just carry on, and cannabilize her for parts was a cherry on top.
One of the things that annoyed me about her was her position on Illidan. If I was my Character, I would of told Xera something along the lines of:
“Hey dingbat, I was there. I don’t need some Prager U quality history lesson from you.”
If Illidan considered the power up at all I would have been like “for the love of god don’t do it! Xera will just be even more self righteous if you give her what she wants!”
I don’t see those things as mutually exclusive. You can have pity for someone who has done a lot of bad things. Even if you cannot trust them and do not want them free or with any kind of power.
Pity does not mean you think they are good or you want them around. It is just being able to compassionately understand what they have suffered.
In the case of Illidan, he was trying to do what he thought was for the greater good. His judgement was just flawed. His actions cost lots of people, himself included, a great deal of pain. His judgement should not be trusted. And those he enslaved are likely VERY glad he is gone. But that would not preclude them also feeling pity. Both can be true at the same time.
A certain world war one soldier comes to mind. He suffered greatly was wounded in heroic combat. He liked kids and at one point had dreams of living a quiet existence as an artist.
I doubt that anyone outside of a certain idealogical stripe feels any pity for him considering what he and the movement that he ran was responsible for.
At some point you do reach a level of evil which eclipses any other consideration. Bat Boy managed to hit that level and beyond.
No matter what your background, you are responsible and have agency for your choices.
I don’t disagree. A person is responsible for the choices they make.
But pity is separate. A person can feel pity for even an evil person while fully recognizing them as evil. You can believe they should pay for their crimes while also feeling pity for them. Pity is not something someone earns.
Unless they’ve been wounded by that person so deeply that no room for pity remains. Tony Stark had absolutely no pity for the person who murdered his parents. And only Steve Rogers stopped him from murdering that person at the cost of their friendship.
Wounds can cause all kind of issues. When we are harmed, we are damaged. That damage can prevent all kinds of things. Even things completely separate from the one that harmed us. It might make it hard for us to have personal happiness. Or even to show kindness to other people. Until those wounds heal. But things like the wounds stopping us from being happy doesn’t mean we shouldn’t. Wounds stopping use from feeling pity is completely understandable. And not something I would blame someone for. But being wronged doesn’t preclude the ‘forgive them, for they know not what they do’ approach. There are certainly people that do it.
Interesting that you use that one. I would argue that Tony Stark should have had pity, because he knew Bucky had no control. But his wounds were not healed at that point. He had an exposed open wound that stopped him from thinking clearly.
And follow the story through. After Civil War Tony did not continue to go after Bucky. Additionally, by Endgame he had completely forgiven Steve. They were back to friends. Tony healed, and that changed everything.
I think they’re just glad he’s out of the picture and doing something productive with his life, like sealing away an ancient evil instead of being a sealed ancient evil. Now they can get back to trying to live the best lives they can.
And… Why are people assuming this would even be a power-up? It’s not like Xe’ra was adding Light energy to Illidan; she was replacing the Fel inside him with Light. At most, this sounds like changing the type of fuel he’d be using.
Is there any evidence that Light-Forging makes someone more powerful than “Fel-Forging” already had done? Because the closest example I can think of would be that one “Fel-forged” guy who obliterated a Light Chime trying to replace his fuel.
