Would Maiev or Farondis be better leaders?

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I was just thinking, since lots of people on both the Alliance and Horde side seem upset by many of Tyrande and Malfurion's actions (or lack thereof), if someone were to one day replace them, would Maiev Shadowsong or Prince Farondis be good options?

Maiev has been in the lore since Warcraft 3, and is both a powerful and a very determined character, formal leadership could give her new purpose now that Illidan and the Legion are both gone, and give the Wardens new spotlight as well.

Farondis is less likely by far, but he has also proven to a a formidable and virtuous leader who defied Azshara not once, but twice, and it's clear he cares deeply for his people. He also seems to be generally well-received by the playerbase. And it would at least be better than him and his people slowly fading into forgotten irrelevancy.
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11/10/2018 02:39 PMPosted by Belandas
I was just thinking, since lots of people on both the Alliance and Horde side seem upset by many of Tyrande and Malfurion's actions
Those people can sit and spin. Also who the hell cares about Farondis? He'll never be referenced again now that Legion is over. I guarantee it.
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Tyrande and Malfurion are fine.
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Nah. Even back in Cata, I at least understood why Malfurion was the way he was. The writers had written him into the impossible position of being co-leader of a neutral organization over a whole zone of questing and a raid, as well as being a racial leader in a time of war. The Circle isn't prominent in the story right now, so I appreciate wrathful Nufurion. Similarly, the only problem I had with Tyrande was the positions she was put in by the writers to prop up Varian. But, I like them both.

This High King, however...
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Malf and Tyrande have always been fine. The only people who still have grievances with them are the ignorant people who won’t get over the Val’sharah questline. Like, people can’t seem to get over that Tyrande loves her husband or that xavius was posing as malf half the time, It’s rediculous.

Like i get that his Darth Vader impersonation was pretty silly. But other than that, Xavius just had the upper hand this time around, it’s no big deal. Even the strongest heroes are going to have their rough days.

The upcoming Darkshore storyline should more than restore peoples’ faith in them, cuz finally for the first time since WC3, they actually get to act like Night Elves. Heck they even got Maiev to join in on the fun, It’s going to be great.
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I genuinely don't think an insane serial killer or a dude who's been dead for ten thousand years would do any better a job.
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Maiev is a character who committed crimes against the Kaldorei in Wolfheart, only for them to get swept under the rug in Legion and BfA.

Farondis is a character who "betrayed" his people by opposing Azshara, only to get back in their good graces by opposing Azshara.

Neither make sense.
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11/10/2018 03:53 PMPosted by Grandblade
Farondis is a character who "betrayed" his people by opposing Azshara, only to get back in their good graces by opposing Azshara.


This still bugs the crap out of me.
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Maiev is the ideal Kal'dorei warrior. Savage in her hunt, yet a survivor. Unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.
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Leadership is a distinct skill. Being good at fighting does not imply leadership skills. I do not think Maiev would make a good leader.

Farondis is... better, but he's a ghost, and Blizzard's approach to the undead is screwed up enough as it is without undead leaders on both sides.
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11/10/2018 04:02 PMPosted by Murdra
11/10/2018 03:53 PMPosted by Grandblade
Farondis is a character who "betrayed" his people by opposing Azshara, only to get back in their good graces by opposing Azshara.


This still bugs the crap out of me.


I won't disagree that it felt rushed, but wasn't the point that the other ghosts saw Azshara for what she was (leader of the Naga attacking them) and realised Farondis was right.

Though... now that I think about it, if I was one of those ghosts, I think I'd be pissed Farondis passed up a chance of getting a cure their 'little ghost problem' by opposing Azshara. They've been stuck as ghosts for ten thousand years (though seem to have time understanding problems), and Farondis passed up a chance to save them.

Let's be honest, the situation deserved a "The truth will set them free" moment like in Wrath, where the ghosts saw Arthas' betrayal of them and it gave them rest, the highborne ghosts should've seen that Azshara betrayed them during the WotA and that realisation frees them.
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Tyrande's and Malfurion's heads. On pikes. In front of Orgrimmar's enterance for all too see.

Tyrande abandoned her people for the most cowardly of reasons in the War of Thorns, and Malfurion's too OP for the story to function. I wish Saurfang would have landed the killing blow then, it would have made for a better story.

Maiev or Shandris FTW.
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11/10/2018 04:02 PMPosted by Murdra
11/10/2018 03:53 PMPosted by Grandblade
Farondis is a character who "betrayed" his people by opposing Azshara, only to get back in their good graces by opposing Azshara.


This still bugs the crap out of me.

You have to remember that in the WotA most people thought Azshara was a good person and the Highborne were holding her prisoner.

Recall that Farondis was surprised to learn she led the naga. It wasn't until then that the people of Azsuna realized she was bad and he was right to oppose her.
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11/10/2018 05:13 PMPosted by Reignac
11/10/2018 04:02 PMPosted by Murdra
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This still bugs the crap out of me.

You have to remember that in the WotA most people thought Azshara was a good person and the Highborne were holding her prisoner.

Recall that Farondis was surprised to learn she led the naga. It wasn't until then that the people of Azsuna realized she was bad and he was right to oppose her.


I think it would've served the story better if the ghosts saw Azshara's actions during the WotA in some sort of vision, ala the Arthas and the Forgotten Shore.

Just because, well, seeing Azshara as a naga 10,000 years later... a lot can happen, I'm not certain it nessecarily proved Farondis right. Though it definitely would've worsened their view of her considerably.
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Oh for sure.
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Tyrande and Malfurion work best when they lead together. My only frustration with them is Malfurion being too passive - a necessity to balance the scales between Horde and Alliance - and Tyrande's impulsive nature.

Maiev isn't the worst choice for leader of the Kal'dorei but she's even less patient than Tyrande. How are people going to feel about that if our current High Priestess gives them pause?

Farondis is fine where he is.
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11/10/2018 05:03 PMPosted by Detrik
Tyrande abandoned her people for the most cowardly of reasons in the War of Thorns, and Malfurion's too OP for the story to function. I wish Saurfang would have landed the killing blow then, it would have made for a better story.
I knew one of these types would show up.
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11/10/2018 03:39 PMPosted by Pyrogar
Malf and Tyrande have always been fine. The only people who still have grievances with them are the ignorant people who won’t get over the Val’sharah questline. Like, people can’t seem to get over that Tyrande loves her husband or that xavius was posing as malf half the time, It’s rediculous.

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Wait, is this in reference to the fake Malf's or implying that Xavuis was impersonating Malf during the quest https://www.wowhead.com/quest=41763/close-enough-to-touch#see-also

Valsharah/EN kinda made me feel bad for Malf. He's forced to endure capture, torture, and fighting to take back the Emerald Dream, which culminates in having to "kill" his mentor. He then turns to us and says (an I'm paraphrasing) "Where Xavius has gone, I cannot follow without completely succumbing to the Nightmare".

All this history and conflict with Xavius, and neither he nor Tyrande end up taking him down.

Malfurions model still bugs me, but it's just the Wings that look ridiculous
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11/10/2018 06:05 PMPosted by Jerolan
11/10/2018 05:03 PMPosted by Detrik
Tyrande abandoned her people for the most cowardly of reasons in the War of Thorns, and Malfurion's too OP for the story to function. I wish Saurfang would have landed the killing blow then, it would have made for a better story.
I knew one of these types would show up.
Everyone ignores the nuance in her decision because they just want to hate her harder.
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11/10/2018 07:26 PMPosted by Grandblade
11/10/2018 06:05 PMPosted by Jerolan
...I knew one of these types would show up.
Everyone ignores the nuance in her decision because they just want to hate her harder.

Precisely. Elegy goes to great lengths to show Tyrande absolutely itching to run back to Darkshore, and fight alongside her people. She only stays in Stormwind because the people handling that side of the evacuation ask her to, for morale, and the Night Elven refugees thank her for being there. She's not happy about it, but she stays in Stormwind because that's what her people ask of her, until someone shows up to tell her Mal is about to face Sylvanas alone, anyway.
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