Everything I’ve discussed that you’ve ignored is evidence.
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No, linking a source, an article, a legal document would be evidence. All youve done is run your mouth off.
Which means this second (or first) comment is invalid.
In November 2008, we were operating under patches, right? 3.0, 3.1, etc. With each of these patches came content and tools/features, right?
RDF was released with Patch 3.3 (which came before Call to Arms, by the way) We’re currently operating on 3.4, which includes all features/tools except RDF, despite many of them coming AFTER launch.
Dual Spec didn’t come out until ToC did, yet it’s in there right now. This small fact demolishes any argument with the basis of “It came out in 3.3, not at launch.”
I do think it would be great for the game. 100%.
Well, I mean, they are losing subscribers by the truck load, so, yeah, it HAS spoiled many player’s experience.
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I’ve never seen you even once link a source. Have you ever? So by your own standards what you’re saying is all you’ve done here is run your mouth off. I’ve offered serious arguments that you lack the intelligence to address but your ego is too fragile to stop posting.
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Two facts about that:
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Know one knows what their subscriber number really is as that information isn’t made public.
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Any sub lose is countered by the mounds of boss in the game.
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Many servers are still listed as high pop or locked.
The real question is are they still profitting. If so, it really doesn’t matter as when Uldaur hits, truck loads of players will return.
Rdf should be in an authentic recreation of wrath. Given the circumstances when it should be added is debatable. Using the factors you consider appropriate your time table is legitimate. Considering other equally valid factors adding it at launch is also a legitimate time table. I’ve looked at both arguments and I haven’t found anyway to decide which is the most objectively accurate.
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That’s true, it’s not public anymore. Try marketing something saying, “Join 200,000 people in an epic quest across Azeroth,” when it used to be, “Join 11-million people in an epic quest across Azeroth!” Obviously they won’t make those numbers public.
I’m not really sure what that means.
Because characters aren’t deleted after you cancel your subscription, the servers will always stay like that.
I’m sure they are. The REAL question is if they were profiting well enough, why would they feel the need to release a 12-month subscription with a reward for Classic players?
I’m not so optimistic about that. I haven’t heard that Ulduar carries as much nostalgia as Naxxramas/ICC did. They’re increasing the iLvl of Ulduar drops, which means they’re likely to increase the difficulty. A lot of players who have quit throughout Classic did so because they either couldn’t invest enough time to level up, or they couldn’t get into endgame content. If they haven’t raided in phase 1, it’s going to be a nightmare for them to raid in phase 2.
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Far more competition in the market these days. Also mordernly WoW is still top of the food chain when it comes to mmo’s. Your whole agrument is based off of specualtion and your personal preference to how you think the game should be released. News Flash: No body cares. Those that’ll play will play, those that won’t, won’t.
I meant, “bots”. Autocorrect got me.
They’ve always had 12 month subscription offers for as long as i can remember. Why include classic? Because it’d look dirty if they didn’t. To some people thst have stupid money. A new mount is a new mount.
Seriously? Uldaur is one of the most beloved raids in WoW history. In comparison Naxx was meh at best. Toc was meh, but needed to be longer and more interesting.
Sure it should, but when is the question. I remember well leveling up and raiding in the first few months of WoTLK originally. There was no RDF.
And honestly just own it. It’s a nice feature and you’d like it in earlier than it was originally - cool I can get behind that. But instead you want to not ask for it but rather demand that it should be in the game based on a completely obviously bogas unconvincing position that based on the patch cycle they chose not having it now is inauthentic. Blizzard aren’t going to buy it just like no-one else will.
They’re not obligated to add it at phase one, but heck it’d be a nice bonus if they did.
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I don’t care when it’s added. I just said that I think your time table is legitimate and can be supported with a good argument. You’re so attached to it you can’t see the possibility of another valid argument and you have to attack it with words that have such a high negative connotation they are insulting to those who make that argument. Then when someone gets pissed about being insulted in your sly underhanded way and insults you back you’ll get an innocent look on your face and claim they attacked you without provocation.
You know I was about to reply and I watched you edit this post over and over and over and over again. Each time making it more provocative. You’re looking for a fight all the while claiming you just want a nice kind discussion.
/shrug. I don’t care when it’s added. Adding it at launch or now or adding it with icc is equally valid. So you’ll get no fight from me. But maybe your post will provoke someone else into giving you the fight you’re looking for.
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Competition is irrelevant here.
Back in 2008, they were able to use the subscription numbers as advertising. 11-12 million players was essentially unheard of at the time, so it made sense to use that as advertising.
Today, however, we’re sitting at an estimated 4.8 million (a number I’m skeptical of) players total. This number in and of itself isn’t that impressive, considering what we’ve had in the past. Furthermore, this number is broken down in quite a few ways:
- Players with more than one account (Becoming increasingly popular)
- Bots (And LOTS of them)
- Classic Era
- Wrath Classic
- Dragonflight/Retail
I don’t recall them being a thing. I remember 6-month subscriptions. The other defining fact here is that Blizzard is selling their 6-month subscription at the same rate as the 12-month subscription, which negates any incentive to purchase the 12 months over the 6 months.
I don’t think you understand my comment - if Blizzard were profiting enough from the Classic side, they wouldn’t have to provide incentive to Classic players to fork over $180 upfront for a game that has been proven to be up in the air more often than it’s not.
The hard reality is that Classic is not bringing in the money that Blizzard hoped it would.
That’s subjective at best. For me… was Ulduar a good raid? Yeah, I’d say so. Was it one of the best? No, not to me, nor a lot of my friends.
Again, a statement based on subjectivity and not objectivity.
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That’s true, there wasn’t RDF in the beginning.
However, the problem is is that we have a feature (Call to Arms) in Classic at the moment, which came out in Patch 3.3.3, so realistically, RDF SHOULD be in the game right now to maintain a semblance of authenticity as it came BEFORE Call to Arms did. This alone dismantles the entire argument.
We don’t even have to look that deeply - Call to Arms came after RDF, it’s in the game, but RDF isn’t. How come?
Dude, Blizzard doesn’t even know what they’re doing. They can’t even keep their stories straight as to why RDF was removed.
You’re right, they’re not obligated to do anything, but they will once subscriptions start dropping off - which I believe this 12-month subscription offer is a result of, so I imagine it’s only a matter of time.
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Removing RDF was a legally questionable decision, a bait’n’switch, like advertising a car and then removing the steering wheel after someone pays for it.
Reminder to go to Blizzard’s Better Business Bureau page at https://www.bbb.org/us/ca/irvine/profile/wholesale-video-games/blizzard-entertainment-inc-1126-13050668 and leave feedback.
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So your best tactic is to spread misinformation (that which is what you’re doing) in hopes to damage the game enough it hurts Blizzard enough forcing them bending the knee and give in to what you want? What, you’re like some mafia kingpin. If this doesn’t work, are you going to show up to Blizzard HQ with a baseball bat and break their legs?
Quote me some misinformation that I’ve said.
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What are you even talking about dude lol “underhanded tactics and edits” … whatever dude. I edited stuff to clarify - feel free to review the edits as you’re doing lol. I assure you I’m not trying to trick you ;p
I don’t actually think my post is at all provocative. The issue is that discussion here isn’t discussion - it’s campaign. You don’t really want to understand a position you want to win a campaign.
RDF is fine and yes it belongs in WOTLK and yes I’m fine with it being added in early.
My only disagreement is with the position that not having it in now is making the WoTLK experience inauthentic on the basis of the patch level choice - I think (for reasons I have discussed) that this is a rubbish position. Making a distinction between features and tools is as asinine as it gets. I’m not saying that’s your position - but it’s the one I am opposing - made mostly by Raisin. You can get all offended by that and find it provocative if you like - that’s your prerogative.
Also here’s another edit - 'cause I know how much you like edits (that was kinda provocative).
If you going to put quotes around something it should be something I actually said. Not something you made up. That is an underhanded tactic, so what you’ve just done makes your misquote accurate.
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It was paraphrase lol I didn’t actually quote you dude. If you had a decent argument then you’d be attacking the argument rather than doing this whole attempt at painting me as dishonest. Just saying - it betrays a weakness in your own position that you don’t simply stick to arguing about the position being argued. Come to think of it - apart from you not liking the cut of my jib are you and me even disagreeing about anything?
My point of argument was with Raisin.
Your position that RDF should be in an authentic recreation of WOTLK is not something I have a disagreement with you on - as I stated - it’s a question of when. So, apart from you not liking my penchant for edits or my supposed attitude what’s your beef with my position? Do we even disagree with each other?
Wotlkc with rdf is still not wotlk
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ikr? anti rdf started by arguing that rdf wasnt in until the end of wrath… argument disproven as rdf was added around the halfway pt of wrath.
anti rdf moved too…rdf wasnt in wrath at the current patch version at launch… argument disproven as we launched with wrath at the 3.4 version…
anti rdf fought tooth and nail saying rdf shouldnt be in game yet as its content … argument disproven as rdf is a tool not content.
anti rdf fights tooth and nail now saying rdf shouldnt be added because it wasnt in this “phase”… you see folks, they wont ever truly listen to your provable facts, they will only move to another garbage argument so they can believe they are important enough that blizzard listens to them.
in reality the only people that blizzard is listening too is brian birminghams elitist jerks guild. a bunch of sweaty tryhard elitist pvp players. he even admitted it… . “we got our feedback from a soft small select group of players”
just keep fighting the good fight pro rdf. its the only way they will hear us.
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