Just to be clear he thinks he has data to back this claim up but does not. His source is a video which parses all of Classic raiding and arena logs and compares it to retail logs from arena and raiding logs from normal difficulty and above. Not only does the data entirely exclude retail’s LFR (which on its own excludes it as a viable data set for drawing meaningful conclusions), but it further assumes that the same percent of each playerbase is raiding, which is not at all a given.
No. Classic’s design has been to have a static systems patch that we start on, and then progressive content patches. The exception(s) being if a system isn’t ready (like guild banks in TBC). This approach makes sense for a lot of reasons and there is no reason to deviate from it for Wrath.
This man thinks that the amount of pet battler’s will offset the number difference XD
Pet battlers, transmog collectors, achievement hunters, and, ya know, everyone raiding via LFR. I know that good-faith argumentation is something you’re allergic to, but on some level you must understand how embarrassing the comment you just made is. Anyone who isn’t being willfully dense reads my comment, then your comment, and can see literally on a single screen your blatant and absurd misrepresentation of my point.
I’m going to assume you believe, as I do, that LFR degraded the social experience of the game. So how can you believe that while simultaneously believing that the number of people engaging in that system is some irrelevant, inconsequential figure?
It’s not an inconsequential figure. It’s the people who only re-sub each patch for two weeks then unsub.
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Rofl, and where is your supporting data for that?
You’re actually being galactically ridiculous at this point. So just to be clear on the chain of events here:
- You make a positive claim
- I ask for the data that supports it
- You provide a source which is discovered to be wholesale invalid
- You attempt to defend one of the invalid aspects of the data set with another claim that is both entirely unsupported and which you have not at all defended the relevancy of (Classic totally doesn’t have people who return for a couple weeks each new raid tier, lol? Have you never run a guild?)
Just to be extra sure I ran your source by my fiance, who is a literal research psychologist that has been professionally working in her field for five years and who is a mere couple months from defending her PhD dissertation (and who has played plenty of WoW herself), and she laughed out loud when I got to the part where the YouTuber just ignored the entire LFR population in his dataset. Her contention beyond that is – even if the datasets were complete – you can’t correlate the two since it is not a given that the raiding populations of each game are the same percent of the total population. Which is exactly what I’ve been saying. Your source is a dataset which is both incomplete and which would not give you the authority to make the claim you made even if it were.
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Okay Ben “My wife is a doctor” Shapiro.
Like I said, people who play LFR are not steady players. Why would you be a steady player when you get a full set of gear, see the content without even trying?
The people who do Normal/Heroic/Mythic Plus are a much more accurate representation of the playerbase because they are consistently playing it.
The spikes of people who re-sub for a few weeks are not significant.
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I see your selective listening is your primary defense mechanism. You’re wrong because you’re wrong, but after so many back-and-forths why wouldn’t I confirm this with someone whose professional knowledge base is incredibly applicable to this situation? She collects and works with data derived from populations, working alongside sociologists. Be difficult to find someone better suited to judge that dataset, and certainly none so conveniently located.
You can say it all you want but you have zero evidence that it’s true. I doubt you even have an invalid reason to believe it’s true; you just want it to be true.
I can fly when nobody is looking.
You can’t disprove me bro so it’s true
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90% of your posts consist on unverifiable claims and your own opinion disguised as fact. You should be careful calling out other people.
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Rofl, you’re the one claiming things you have no evidence for, not me.
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I provided numbers that show the largest parts of the game have higher participation in Classic than retail.
You haven’t provided any numbers that show the LFR and pet collectors make up for this discrepancy.
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I don’t have to provide numbers to prove that you’re invalid data is invalid. That’s not how this works. Your contention doesn’t become the default position just because you put it forth. For your contention to become the new baseline, you have to prove that it is the baseline. You have to provide valid data. Period.
If you want to use the type of information that your YouTuber is working with, you have to prove that it is a reasonable assumption that the raiding populations in each game are the same percentage of the total player base. You also have to prove that it doesn’t matter that you are randomly excluding a segment of that raiding population for one of the games. It is not my job to prove why that part of the raiding population is relevant.
And no, you just saying that they totally aren’t relevant is not proof that they aren’t relevant. Again, not how any of this works.
Cool story bro. How is retail treating ya? Get into any ERPing in goldshire?
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You’re not cool, you know that right? You’re in your 30s, if not 40s, saying “go back to retail” over a 15 year video game because you peaked as a human in your teens on World of Warcraft.
And yes, it is happening. Bye rofl
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You are literally a Vulpera player. Need I say more? I don’t want to harm your fursona so I’ll leave it at that.
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Nailed it, preach brotha
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You are an extraordinarily toxic and devisive player. You are making repeated and numerous claims that are blatantly wrong or unsubstantiated, or worse, substantiated through opinion claimed as fact.
Nobody cares all that much about your opinion but you. You are entitled to it, but you need to check yourself, you’ve convinced yourself that you are proving things that you certainly aren’t. It only makes you look silly.
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You play a monk. Need I say more?
I bet MoP was your favorite expansion. Retail is that-a-way.
I have multiple characters of all classes, both on classic and retail. I’m not sure what impact you think that argument is meant to have.