For me I felt like the BFA-Shadowlands ERA frost felt the most clunky, it was missing something.
Im happy its getting a rework.
Goodbye chill streak, you won’t be missed.
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MoP / WoD. More specifically WoD.
For me this is easy, Wrath PvP end of season 6.
Frost had been an S-tier spec that season, and I was working towards gladiator when two weeks before the season ends blizzard releases a patch that deleted the S-tier 2-handed frost and replaced it with a D-tier dual wielding spec. Killed my chances at gladiator on the season with my favorite glad mount, so I’m still bitter.
Blizzard promised to never do that again, realizing that rebalancing the classes the same time you tell everyone the season has two weeks left was a real dick move.
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bfa i stopped playing my dk, went to pally, and didnt play dk again until DF. so somewhere in there
What? Explain this fall in “tier” because of DW. Because DW hit harder than a 2h. You didnt lose out on Gladiator because of the 3.2 patch. With ToT and Nerves of Cold Steel DW Obliterates dumpstered 2h Obliterates.
You lost out on Gladiator because you thought you were nerfing yourself when in fact you werent.
In Shadowlands I was ripping my hair out because how dog Frost DK was
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I kind of stopped playing at the end of WoD in general due to burnout.
Been on and off to DK since then until Shadowlands… and wow… not the best decision I had in mind.
Ya, you just proved you didn’t play PvP competitively that season. It wasn’t about the obliterate damage it was about the frost strike damage. There is a reason Sigil of the Vengeful heart was BiS and not Sigil of Awareness.
In case you forgot, back then killing machine made frost strikes auto crit, not obliterate.
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Sorry, forgot the specs changed completely all because you attacked a player instead of a warthog. 
And DW got more damage with that. So your complaint is entirely unjustified. You just werent gladiator material during that time.
And howling blast… but I mean who cares right?
You honestly think that classes preform the same in PvE and PvP? I mean what do I expect from someone who has never broken 1500 in arena, ever. Classic anti-intellectualism.
Not that it really matters but in season 7 I was one of two frost DKs on our Battlegroup (Bloodlust) that were above 2k rating. Sometimes I was number 1, sometimes I was number 2, but neither of us were gladiator and we were literally the best. Sometimes a spec really is just bad in PvP. But you wouldn’t know that, cause you think PvP is just PvE lol.
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Do you honestly think I was talking about performance? You talk yourself up but you cant understand something so simple and then want to insult me and say im stupid? Bro you literally couldnt understand the difference between perform and function. Dont go trying to talk trash when you have no ammo.
Ego stroke = lie
Frost wasnt one of them. Dont go blaming the spec on your poor performance playboy.
I didn’t call you stupid, I said you were deploying anti-intellectualism. Anti-intellectualism is characterized by a distrust of or negative affect toward experts and intellectuals. You think PvE and PvP are the same despite the fact experts (and I’m not talking about myself) would say otherwise. You think you know better than everyone, despite not having any qualifications within the subject, in fact you think those very qualifications are unnecessary.
Assuming PvE plays exactly like PvP is like assuming that doing free throws is identical to playing basketball. It’s ignoring the fact that there are now players trying to prevent you from scoring.
But I digress, I think you attacked me because I suggested that adding dual wield to frost was initially a downgrade. Unfortunately for you, it is simply a fact that 2handed frost was meta in Ulduar and S6, and when dual weild was introduced frost fell behind unholy and blood for TOGC and unholy for S7.
PS: I love the way you have to discredit my experience because it would conflict with your narrative. I was the top or second to top DK for S7 playing DW frost, however the spec was so dumpster that I achieved that with a relatively low rating (~2.2ish). Everyone told me to go spec unholy to get a better rating, but I was a stubborn one, so I get a fun little side note that means literally nothing. But still something you can’t accept cause your narrative about all forum users or some nonsense.
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Yeah… you did.
Did I say that or are you just making crap up in order to try to make yourself look smart and me look dumb?
I certainly know better than you.
argument from/of authority instead of actually engaging in the context of the conversation. You lost dude. Wrath was one of the best times for Frost DK’s.
They do. Rime still procs from Obliterate during that time, KM still comes from auto attacks, Obliterate gains damage on the amount of diseases on the target, Blood Strike converts blood runes to death runes. What are you assuming here? Are you trying to say that isnt how Frost worked?
Free throws are a part of basketball. Again I said FUNCTION, you know, f u n c t i o n. Its a word that means to operate in a certain way.
No just wanted to know your reasoning of why DW was the cause of going from S-tier to D-tier which you havent answered. Which isnt a surprise.
You just went straight into attack most, saying “you dont play pvp” “you stupid” “you couldnt understand if even if I explained it to you”.
You have done absolutely nothing to explain yourself yet acting all aggressive like I just kicked your dog across the room. Get your fee fees out of here and explain your reasoning. I guarantee you dont actually have any reasoning or you would have given it by now.
for me it was legion the lose of 2h and everything else that was taken away really left a sour taste in my mouth.
lately its been better but i still want what was taken returned and wrath walked to go bye bye
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They didn’t want us to wield frostmourne but its temu DW version. 
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Where?
I’m talking about a patch that happened August 2009, it looks like you only started playing in September 2009.
I went from 60:40 the past week to 30:70 the next week after patch, I might never know the exact mechanism, maybe it was nerfing frost strike and making it dodgeable and parryable, maybe it was simply buffs to other classes, maybe it was a talent reorder, maybe my healer got nerfed. Maybe I would’ve never made it even without the patch, but I’ll never know, cause after that patch frost participation fell off completely, and even blizzard admitted it was a mistake to apply a patch right before finishing a season.
I think you think this because WoW was still novel for you, the truth is Wotlk was a crazy ride for DKs as blizzard was trying to balance having something new and different without having something blatantly OP.
T7 → Shadow Frost (unholy frost hybrid spec, DW)
T8 → Machine Gun Frost (blood/frost hybrid, 2hander)
T9 → Blood Single target, Unholy for Anubarak.
T10 → Unholy > Blood > Frost
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Where didnt you?
And?
And? Again you arent answering my question.
So then why are you attacking the spec? Just because frost strike could be avoided?
this is entirely besides the point, you literally got a buff going into 3.2 with how DW interacted with strikes and Nerves of Cold Steel. You were hitting harder than 2h with EVERYTHING. So it wasnt your damage, it wasnt that frost strike could be avoided, it was probably you.
Were you stacking your procs for big HB crits. Rime? KM? Cinderglacier? And there were people making videos of Frost PvP post 3.2. Frost participation didnt fall off.
No, it one of the best times for Frost DK’s. Blood didnt beat out frost in T9 or T10. Especially not T10, even with Shadowmourne.
I’m not “attacking the spec”, you’re just super defensive for some reason. “Tier lists” are subjective and relative. PvP Frost DKs had lots of top level players in S6, and basically none in S7. If a spec gets nerfed or multiple other specs get buffed the relative difference is the same. I don’t know why this is so contentious, you haven’t provided any evidence it was a top PvP spec either so this is literally a “he said/she said” situation.
I can’t find the OG stats anymore, but the classic wrath stats show similar, no Frost Death Knights are getting gladiator.
https://ironforge.pro/pvp/leaderboards/archive/season-8/US/3/?class=DeathKnight
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Very beginning of Legion.
Spec became DW only and it was the lowest performing DPS in the entire game even managing to do less damage than tanks. It was straight up non viable. Took Blizz like a month and a half to fix it.
Combine that with Legendaries and it meant that if you probably already had a Legendary for Unholy if you were trying to be competitive and that gimped you if you wanted to switch to Frost.
Blizzard basically f****d the spec for the entire expansion because of the Legendary system more or less giving you 2 legendaries right away and then probably none ever again after that. It was legitimately faster to start an entirely new character, level them, gear them and start raiding than to try for a 3rd legendary.
- Can we PLEASE stop ******* giving Trolliste the time of day? For the love of god just put it on ignore.
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I think it might have to be shadowlands for me. As with the case for every spec and class at that time, it felt like there was way too much missing from the base design and the talent trees obviously ran their course and was not updated enough for the times.
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