So with the recent wowhead lore articles I had some thoughts I wanted opinions on. We know that the black empire had been on azeroth a pretty long time, and apparently azeroth was perfectly fine uncorrupted even. The idea that the black empire was a horrible time was apparently propaganda by the titan keepers.
I have a feeling that world souls are not explicitly baby titans. I think they are just baby higher beings or more accurately they are the baby form of the 7th set of power. The titans as we know them were awakened by other titans except whoever the first titan was.
My theory is that the first titan was on a world where only arcane magic was used, so when the titan was born it was born as a being of order only. Since it awakened others of its kinda they would all be influenced by that awakening, via arcane power.
Our world was already touched by void, fel, arcane and now death. I have a feeling that our world soul will be imbued with all 6 great powers and awake as the 7th force.
Titans do not seem like good guys this expansion either. Odyn is a horrible being and Tyr holds him in high regard and we now know that a lot of what we know about the universe was titan propaganda. That would include what we know about world souls imo.
Thereâs a doomsayer who forshadowed the Crucible of storms raid who called Azeroth an unholy sygyzy of Light and Void". A sygyzy in this context is a duality of opposing forces. It seems like Azeroth was created as the catalyst of the Big Bang when Light and Void clashed at the edge of out reality, creating the known universe.
The way Azeroth has been explained is this world may be not just a planet but a being responsible for the creation of this whole universe. Azeroth by no conicidence is similar to the Lovecraftian Outer God called Azathoth. There was even a freudian slip of the name used in the Ardenweald play. Azathoth is important because itâs a slumbering God who is dreaming reality into existance. Itâs loosely based on the Hindu myth of Vastu Purusha.
I do think thereâs some Gnosticism thrown in here too. In Gnosticism thereâs the Fall of Sophia, in which a divine part of the upper realms âfellâ into the lower realms, this fall birthed a bunch of demons and the supreme demon, the Demiurge, woke to see only himself in the universe, and declared himself God. We see that mythology reflected in Amanâthul, who was the first Titan to wake up. This parallel supports the Titans and Ammanâthul as a âfalse God.â so thatâs something to take into consideration.
Thereâs interesting lore meat here, but itâs not fleshed out enough to say without a doubt that itâs true. But thereâs striong support that Azeroth is something unlike a normal Titan.
See the only thing i disagree on is that we havnt actually seen light infused into azeroth. We have void, from the old gods, we have arcane from the titans, we have fel from sargeras sword and death from the touch of the jailer. No real light yet tho?
The light here is implied when the veil between the Twisting Nether bleed into the Great Dark Beyond during the ancient clash between Light and Void. Azeroth is the resulting syzygy of that clash. Of the unholy offspring of a union between Light and Void.
Like what happens when matter and antimatter collide, the particles destroy each other, with a huge energy release. âThat big bangâ is what Chronicle Vol.1 says created the Great Dark Beyond. This is lore astrophysics.
I think one of the more interesting implications that doesnât get talked about too much is that World Souls exist before the world does.
According to the Thousand Year War story, Alleria saw visions of Argusâ life.
Argus began as a ball of energy spiraling through the cosmos.
It was only after finding a nice warm star that he settled down and the planet formed around him.
World Souls originate somewhere and we donât know where.
But I totally subscribe to the theory that World Souls arenât inherently Order-aligned Titans.
Really, being giant living worlds, they seem to be the ultimate expression of âMaterial Plane Existenceâ.
I like this idea, if only because we donât really see the titans in the plane of Order, and beings of the plane of order not originating there is⌠weird.
As much as Iâm not big into the cosmic mess, itâd be interesting if the actual full blooded order inhabitants were just insanely authoritarian and hierarchical. Basically Robots, but like, actual ones and not Warcraft robots.
*points to sun* Seems like itâs being bathed in light to meâŚ
Honestly that makes sense. considering argus was an order/death hybrid do to the energy pumped into him. and a few of the others also seem to by hybrids as well.
Now that is a theory I like for sure! Itâd make sense, the Firim Stuff in Shadowlands illuded to one central thing all the powers (Powers Being Light, Void Etc.) gathered toward amidst the darknessâŚ
What if that was Azeroth! Notice how little weâve journeyed elsewhere; Sure that may be cuz Blizz hasnât made a full-blown planet since WOD which was just expanded Outland, but still!
The Pantheon are âOrder Titansâ.
The Void Lords want to create a âVoid Titanâ.
Sargeras began as an Order Titan but transformed into a Chaos Titan.
and Argus was turned into a Death Titan.
Titans seem particularly malleable to magical exposure.
Interestingly, a trait shared by Dragons and Elves (and even Trolls to an extent)
Mith, problem with that is we know draenor doesnt have a world soul. Because it had so much abundant spirit because it didnt have a world soul its a pretty primal place. ofc because no planet ruining existence is not due to the titans, We knwo aggramar kinda interjected his own bs into Draenor. Otherwise orcs probably wouldnt even exist. It would just be a giant planet of plants.
My main problem is titans like Amanâthul, Norgannon and Sargeras. They seem to be pure Arcane titans with the latter only becoming a Fel hybrid due to a fel corrupted planet exploding in his face. Something he did not intend to happen when he sliced it open to free the trapped Demons within. And yet the Titans are designed to be the Arcane equivalents to the Void Lords, The Eternal ones, The naaru etc etc. Then you got titans like Eonar which has a mastery over life, even growing a deus ex machina resurrection tree from nothing. Khazâgoroth and Golgannoth seem to be empowered by elemental magic (earth & fire, Air & water respectively). Argus was pumped full of death magic (somehow) by the Dreadlords. It is implied via Tyr being able to use the light that Aggramar could as well. As Aggramar empowered Tyr. Then again, Odyn can use the light and Ra can use air magic. Even though both were empowered by Amanâthul. So /shrug.
So it seems to be that they are using arcane infused into other powers. But the titans themselves were awakened by other titans using their world building. Corrupting the planet with order magic to filter into the titan. So of course any titans they awaken would be arcane because thats what they are infusing into the planet, and my theory is that the original titan was born on a planet that coincidently only used arcane magic.
One thing Iâve been contemplating lately is that description of the creation of the universe, because we now know that itâs wrong.
The cosmos was designed, Order and Chaos wasnât just an accident caused by a chance collision of Light and Void, they were intentionally made by the First Ones, and we know that Odyn has been trying to suppress all implications that the Titans arenât the be all and end all, so why would he leave it in Chronicle?
I think itâs because it is due to the way that the Titans see the cosmos: they equate order with creation, and disorder with destruction.
We now know that the reason Light and Void oppose each other is because of how they see possibility: The Light sees one path, whilst The Void sees all paths.
When those two things âcollideâ, suddenly you have potential, you have a variable number of paths, you have a universe.
THAT is why the Titans saw the collision of Light and Void as the initial act of creation: because when it did, the Material Universe gained the ability to have more than one thing happen, and therefore the ability to have things be ordered and disordered, thatâs why the collision âcreatedâ Order and Chaos and the reason why Odyn is comfortable with letting mortals know about it is because itâs omitting the important part: it was intentional.
This would also explain why the Titans seem to hate Void so much and why they think the Void Lords want to destroy the universe (which doesnât make sense considering the Void is a required component of the universe, even if itâs a failsafe, why would you build in a self destruct feature that actively TRIES to activate itself to the point of sabotaging the thing itâs meant to protect?): âall pathsâ is fundamentally more disordered, the Void Lords donât want to destroy the universe, they want to create infinite possibilities because the generation of possibilities is its designed purpose, but the Titans perceive that as âwant to destroy everythingâ because to them disorder = destruction
I wouldnât exactly call Sargeras a chaos titan though. He forged the chaotic demons of the nether into an army with orderly hierarchies and chains of command. He was also goal orientated and systematic about his purging of the universe.
I think that the idea is that a purely disordered universe is one that is incapable of life for anything but void creatures. It still exists, but weâre all dead.
On the other hand, a purely ordered universe would likely be no better. No free will, and liberal use of annihilation on anything that doesnât align with Order.
He may have woken up on his own, but i would bet that the planet he was on was inhabited by beings who used mostly arcane magic, and after a long time that energy seeped into him making him into the first titan. Who then used that method to create more titans via the world building.
