Worgen still need work - solid true black fur, posture for males, tails, paladins and monks

It will never be enough

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Sure it will. Just give me - a male worgen - solid black fur, a straight posture option that actually makes me a decent height (at least the same as female worgen, but I really think male worgen should be among the very tallest races of the Alliance), and I’m happy.

I’d love to have a wolf tail and I’d love to be able to be a paladin, at the very least otherwise, but if I get those first two things I will be 100% content, because I think both of those should’ve been available for worgen long ago. The solid, true black fur should’ve been available from the start.

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But you see, that’s where we differ. I like the brown fur colors. lol.

The posture is really cool, and when my rogue shoots his pistol he stands up straight and it looks really good.

However, for me, the best things that could ever come out of this are unarmed combat/hide weapon transmog (using claws) and being able to switch forms at will at any time. (Human form in combat just because.)

So I don’t know that it ever will be enough. lol. There’s always going to be something that someone else wants.

Although I don’t think a lot of these are hard for Blizz to do (mainly the posture, and the human combat cosmetic I think those are just tweaks of the model, and code) I think the hiding of weapons might be more difficult because they would need new animations, and the pure black fur is an art concept that they would actually have to put a decent amount of work into.

(Although I suppose hiding the weapons would just use the fist weapon animations, and they would just tweak the model to open the hands rather than making a fist.)

The worgen don’t really have fist animations - their unarmed animations are already perfect, and that’s what virtually all the worgen NPCs use. Literally just hiding the weapon/making it invisible/making it appear as if they are unarmed would work totally fine.

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Your speaking my language.

Worgen are not humanoid animal types; they are cursed humans.

I believed this too.

Then I learned the solid lore reason thru reading up on Wolf Cult, War of the Satyr and Ralaar Fangfire why worgen do not and should not turn into wolves and I am now firmly against it.

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I say we change it all the things a cat form can do a feral wolf could do.

That is not true at all. Only roleplayers get options as most Worgen players remain in Worgen form most of the time. Maybe long ago when you could use an addon to shapeshift you could find more Worgen players who used human form but unless your a roleplayer most don’t even use the Two Forms ability. So half our customization options arent even something we will see in our characters.

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In all fairness, I don’t really care about the lore. Blizzard can do and change whatever they want, and they do that all the time. Personally, I think it’s very stupid for a werewolf to turn into a cat or a bear, and that’s all I’m saying, really. I’m not trying to contrive lore justifications for it, because Blizz could easily do that if they wanted to. I can think of a good couple dozen reasons and ways they could do it, but if I mention them, you’ll probably systematically shoot them down because of tiny nitpicks about not holding to the “current” lore and I don’t really even want to hear all of that stuff again.

Of course, we all know they won’t, in all gracious likelihood, because they stick hard to the “cat and bear” thing (even when they are letting trolls turn into weird dinosaur creatures instead, because they get to be the exception; and yeah, I know all the “lore” for that as well). But I think arguing lore reasons at this point in time is very silly. Back in the day, people argued lore with me about playable worgen, too.

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It surprises me that more people don’t ask for this but I’d definitely like hair/mane color separate from fur color on not just worgen but also tauren and pandaren.

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Wasn’t there an add-on that let you auto-revert to human out of combat? I used it on my rogue for years.

I would love the option to click-off the worgen voice and use the human gilnean voice, the female especially is SO good, but the worgen version is ugh.

Race/class combos need to increase. There is no reason a worgen can be a priest, mage or druid and not be a monk. Paladins or shamans would also be cool, but monks, people. Come on!

Mostly though, worgen tail options is paramount for me. I’d also love to see a pure-black skin color for males and an upright idle pose. I’m fine with them using all the other run/combat animations with them hunched forward.

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Kinda have to disagree. Wugs followed the teaching of the elves and how to be proper druids. Makes sense to me why they can be different animals that aren’t canine related

There’s also Blizz having to rework the entire wolf model to fit the attack animations or male new ones entirely without compromise the current rigs for rhe wolf model

Humans need tail options too! Monkeys have tails, Saiyans have tails, it’s a travesty that I’m not allowed to create a human with a tail.

I want to be able to customize the mane colour.

The original alpha models could do this and they had actual hairstyles.
If we’re being stuck with a rats nest, the least we could do is be able to change it’s colour too - even if it’s ones that “match” the skin.

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Well, what I mean is that why can’t they just do those things in worgen form? The worgen form is technically at least derived from a druid form already - so let them be tank and feral in worgen form and use their claws. It’d make a lot more sense. A werewolf shouldn’t have to turn into a cat or a bear to be tough or use fangs and claws - they already are all those things.

As for the wolf model, though, the Kul’Tiran cat form uses a model that can be found in Drustvar running on the wolf rig (because it IS a wolf; look at the skull shape and the tail), so I don’t think that’d be too hard.

I agree - honestly I miss the alpha models still, male and female, to this day.

As for the people harping on the tails- if they are “just” “cursed humans” instead of “humanoid animals,” why is it that they aren’t horrible tentacle void monsters and instead happen to have wolf heads (or at least what Blizzard calls a wolf head)? And fur? Claws? Why is it they sound and act like wolves and are the subject of so many painful dog jokes? It’s because Blizz retconned the lore and said they’re derived from wolves and druids, and wolves and druid forms have tails, so let us have the option of that. :woman_shrugging: What’s the lore reason why only female pandaren can have tails and males can’t? For undead now being able to have hot pink eyes? Variety is nice, more customization is nice.

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That would also help with helm clipping.
Finding a helm that actually fits is annoying.

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It is true, everyone is happy with the ability to customize human form and worgen form separately.

You have every human options, everyworgen option.

You as a race have the most options. You cant even argue that fact. No other race get to have customization for two separate forms.

Exactly cause no other race in the game transforms. But there are plenty of Worgen players who haven’t see the light of day on the human form since the Gilneas starting area. Every Worgen player would like the option to customize the core form just like how everyone else gets to customize the characters they use. Right now the only changes Worgen get is Fur Color, Ear shape and some tiny hair brides. Worgen players would like to see an optional tail, maybe a different muzzle look, and a lore friendly height. The human changes just reflect the same exact changes for Stormwind Humans.

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What Nightrun said - by virtue of being able to customize both forms, you could argue that, but it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense (and it still isn’t even true, especially in the case of the males). The human options are just the human options; none of them are unique to worgen.

I love the fact that we can customize both separately now; that was a huge thing I really wanted. But the form we will inevitably spend the most time in still remains very short on options (and lacking in a solid black fur option…).

Our worgen forms are among the least customizable race in the entire game. I think, with the new tauren customizations coming out, they will absolutely be the least customizable core race in the game, probably alongside goblins - the two eternally shafted Cataclysm races.

Take a look at pandas, male and female. They have far, far more options than the worgen, even if you were to combine both forms. Worgen in their actual worgen forms, however, get very little customization, especially the males. Males have a tiny handful of faces and a tiny handful of fur colors.

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Where in Drustvar did you see the Kul Tiran forms with the wolf model? Don’t recall seeing them with the wolf skeleton. I remember the wicker beasts that do have the skeleton, but those are different from the Kul Tiran forms.

As far as Worgen fighting with their claws instead of their Druid forms, so far there are only three type of attack animations. There’s the default, a swiping attack for both Swipe and Thrash, and there’s a flurry of claw attacks that do a back flip for the remaining attacks. Blizzard would have to most likely make new animations for the attacks of both specs. Could maybe reuse the attacks from the Saberon form, but I don’t exactly remember how that looked like.

Edit: Found some footage of the Saberon attack animations. Most of it is just the default attack that’s randomly sped up. It’s quite terrible to look at imo