Worgen customization options - the big list

I’m sure a random internet person’s headcanons are accurate, as well as random google image searches.

Try this instead:

Firstly, there’s Henry Boguet in “Of the Metamorphosis of Men into Beasts,” from 1590 (republished in A Lycanthropy Reader: Werewolves in Western Culture , edited and compiled by Charlotte F. Otten). On page 79 of this edition, Boguet marks a difference between werewolves and witches that have turned into wolves , repeating a common belief that, when witches turn into animals, they have “no tails.”

Secondly, there’s the Malleus Maleficarum , specifically question X of part I, “Whether Witches can by some Glamour Change Men into Beasts," from Monatgue Summers’ translation.

They say that, “the devil can deceive the human fancy so that a man really seems to be an animal.” This specifically refers to deception . Thus, illusion. Not a true, physical change as we get with a werewolf.

Furthermore, however, they say that “when it says that no creature can be made by the power of the devil, this is manifestly true if Made is understood to mean Created. But if the word Made is taken to refer to natural production, it is certain that devils can make some imperfect creatures.”

“Imperfect,” in this instance, generally thought to refer to “tailless,” along with a few other legends, such as a witch in animal form still bearing human eyes.

Bear in mind that the Malleus Maleficarum was written and compiled during a time period in which werewolves were considered a form of witchcraft, although not equal to it. One could become a werewolf via a curse, without directly practicing that witchcraft.

This also came from a time period when werewolves were considered negative (obviously), unlike in earlier time periods , and much more like today .

Moving on, we also have Albert the Great in his book On Animals , as cited by Montague Summers, who says that devils can indeed make animals: “they can, with God’s permission, make imperfect animals.” Again on the imperfection.

There is one scholar who disputes this very, very briefly in his writing, and that is actually one of my prime sources: Montague Summers. In his book The Werewolf , he remarks, “many–but not all– authorities hold that the werewolf has no tail.”

Something to remember about Summers, however, is that firstly, he truly believed in werewolves as a form of witchcraft. To him, werewolves are more closely connected with those aforementioned witches (that I think werewolves need to be separated from). Secondly, when he makes this sweeping statement, he provides absolutely no sources whatsoever and doesn’t really make any kind of argument to back up or to defend that idea. I’m calling his BS on that one.

Thirdly, we have an overwhelming number of other sources on werewolves being depicted with tails as opposed to without. We have imagery from various time periods in which they are virtually always depicted with tails or mid-transformation, thus leaving us unsure if they are going to grow a tail or not. One of the only depictions we have of a tailless werewolf is the wolf-man woodcut of the one eating the baby, which is in itself a rare sight, as werewolves weren’t generally “wolf-men” very often in folklore. Worgen aren’t, either.

Descriptions of werewolves in folklore frequently refer to tails, or else refer to the werewolf as simply a “wolf” and thus lead us to assume they must have a tail, or such a radical difference would’ve been noticed by the narrator (Niceros’s tale, Bisclavret, Melion, the curse of Lykaon, Chinese legends, and many more).

There are plenty of other examples.

And the examples you are generally referring to in pop culture are often wolf-man style werewolves, ala Hollywood 1941. The concept of the tailless werewolf comes from that imagery.

But hey, if it was an option, you can continue to have your tailless worgen, and I could have a tail, and you could hate me for it. That is, if you ever bothered to level that DK of yours.

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And is that not what worgen are based off of

I mean, you have all that random book stuff, sure. But if worgen aren’t based off that version of werewolf how is it relevant

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Funnily enough having a tail would reduce the need for an upright posture, because it would balance the model nicely.

A main reason why the male looks so silly is because not only is he top heavy, but also leans forward. It actually looks like they just forget to put the tail on. It really is a constant annoyance and is probably the single reason why I can’t main the race even though I love the concept.

As if adding tails is some huge game breaking change of lore, especially given how much they’ve already retconned and altered stuff.

Having tails just look better, full stop (period).

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You just admitted that worgen aren’t based off the Hollywood werewolves (they are, but they aren’t based off the wolf-man looking ones, clearly, or they would look like wolf-men instead of having the wolfish heads).

Therefore they’re based off the folklore ones that I described, from actual world history that shaped all these werewolves we have in pop culture, from “random books,” as you so elegantly put it. Without these and other “random books,” you wouldn’t have worgen or any other werewolves at all.

Luckily for us, werewolves are fictional creatures, so we can have it both ways. I could have a tail, and you could have the option to not have one. We all win. Hooray.

And the point is this:

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Literally when

The part of my post that you quoted and responded to directly.

Not that it matters; no one is going to change anyone’s opinions here.

Nithenarina summarized the situation perfectly, so I’ll stop harping on the tail thing.

Ur confused

You said the tail-less werewolves I was thinking of were the Hollywood ones

And then I said “is that not what worgen are based off of?”

As in: worgen are based off the tail-less Hollywood werewolves

Therefore all the evidence you cited is irrelevant because worgen are not based off the original concept of werewolves

That’s subjective

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This. I want tiny void elf. Like my 4’10 au’ra.

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Yes, it’s called my opinion.

I would say though that balancing a character model is less so pure opinion. When something is that top heavy and leans forward, a tail is often needed to balance it-- because it’d fall over realistically. This is further added to the fact they do run in an animalistic way (not really a surprise given they are in fact werewolves) and not like a human-- less so the female but certainly the male.

Yes, it’s a magical game, but there is still the matter of balance which is noticed by one’s aesthetic senses not just animal locomotion or posture. When something just looks awkward and wrong I think that goes beyond opinion. Some people may like that very fact but I’d bet the vast majority do not.

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Well when you say “full stop” kinda makes it sound like you think it’s fact

Vulpera have tails and they stand perfectly upright so I don’t think it really matters

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We’re not talking about Vulpera, they don’t lean forward or are top heavy so there’s no comparison.

Maybe I was just making a half-baked attempt at diplomacy. I do think my opinion is better on this matter. Male Worgen, especially the male, would just look superior with tails, for all the reasons I’ve stated. It’s not an absolute though, because some people do like that quirky unbalanced look, but those numbers are almost certainly going to be vanishingly small-- very niche.

I’m not one who thinks there’s simple objective facts and opinion. There are areas in the middle.

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The point I’m trying to make is that Worgen being top heavy doesn’t really justify having tails because Vulpera(a race with tails) are not top heavy

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  1. make human/wolf form (way) more consistent
  2. white hair option

All of it is also even more evident from the fact that all the other models that use the male worgen skeleton have tails and look much better for it (saberon, saurok, the dragon abominations, etc).

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If the cosmetic option of having a tail or not is created, it is up to each one. Nobody will enter your home and force you to look like you don’t want to.

A tail like the one we see in non-red pandaren would be enough. A shorter tail. It is optional.

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I think that at the time when the worgen was being developed, the results for a tail were not so interesting for the development team.

We only saw something better, in Pandaria, with the pandaren.

One thing I would also like to see, although it is not directly related to customizations in worgen, would be the option of having name and surname.

That’s the one that they should be doing first, I mean it makes the most sense with all these new customizations.

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D-D-D-D-DROP THE BASS

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Definitely some ideas here I can get behind, some aren’t however but you’ve pretty much state the reasoning anyhow so I won’t bother repeating the obviously stated. xP

Wait, are you saying the human form of Worgen doesn’t get the same customizations from Human?