Wouldn’t the remaining possibly MILLIONS of scourge go on a mindless rampage now?
I mean wasn’t the whole point of someone dawning the crown after Arthas fell to keep the literally unstoppable army of the dead from rampaging?
That was announced. Were you not paying attention?
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That’s exactly what Ion said is going to happen. Its going to be great.
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No one in these forums pays attention, they just come here to complain
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Scourge Invasion 2.0
Or 3.0.
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I think the biggest question regarding the helm is what happened to Zer’zhul? Is he just…in the wind now? I assume less powerful, but I guess he could be totally gone. I know Bolvar had the shoulder plate from the armor, but where did the rest of it go? Arthas died in it, and he disappears mid cut scene…
I wouldn’t be surprised if we found Ner’zhul in the Maw.
Where are all of these mindless Scourge anyway? How are they supposed to be spilling all over Azeroth when they’ve been beaten back to Northrend? Also, they’re not shipwrights - they’re not suddenly getting in boats and sailing around Azeroth.
Sylvanas likely killed them all on her way to icc
I think some remnants are still in the plaguelands.
Also, you are aware that the Scourge employ magical flying fortresses called “necropoli”, right? At this point, all they’d need to do is set them to autopilot and then hallelujah, it’s raining (undead) men!
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The thing is, without the Lich King’s hierarchy of delegated intelligent undead and cultists organizing things to make it a coordinated invasion, it makes little sense that the mindless hordes of rampaging and leaderless Scourge would arbitrarily have the tactical wherewithal to load up on boats and necropoli in order to launch assaults from across the sea. For that to work, they can’t really be leaderless.
Really the whole idea of the Scourge “running rampant” never made a ton of sense, because its numbers are primarily in Northrend and such a thing would only work if they weren’t running amok and actually had someone intelligent in charge to make them do anything more complicated to reach the rest of Azeroth than just making a beeline into the ocean in a haphazard attempt to swim to the other continents.
The hosts of mindless Scourge aren’t granted complex awareness and problem-solving skills; if they were, they wouldn’t really be the Scourge. They’d be the Forsaken.
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With the Helm of Domination destroyed so too was Horde pride destroyed.
Hes not in the helm hasn’t been for a long time.
Mindless undead are undead that had their minds broken because of the terrible process of becoming undead. Only the strongest wills can retain any sentience after that experience. Most of the undead who were strong enough to have a will of their own were freed after Arthas died we had several quests about small free undead groups in cata EPL.
Guys, Umm I see alot of people trying to justify why something that is happening, isnt happening. THe scourge is going crazy, the pre xpac event is the scourge invasion
On the other hand … hey, we wondered how the Forsaken would continue to propagate going forward without Sylvie’s Val’kyr to rely on? With that many rabid Scourge walking around without the Helm of Domination’s influence, they now do have a chance to get back to their roots and start Freeing the Wills of those they can within those Mindless Hordes.
People wondered how there could be enough of an Undead population to justify a Calia Brand AR … welp, here is your answer if one should surface.
Oh, the actual running amok itself made sense.
What never added up is the idea that they’d be this immense global threat if they did so due to lacking a Lich King. Without a potent intellect directing them, those rampaging swarms of undead lack even the basic thinking skills to overcome the simple obstacle of there being an ocean between them and the rest of the planet.
So…maybe the frostwyrms would find their way over to the other continents (and maybe gargoyles; it’s unclear just how attached they’d be to doing anything the other Scourge are doing without a Lich King since they were never actually killed and raised as undead), but otherwise the vast bulk of the Scourge would be contained to Northrend by geography alone, if not destroyed by that fact if they tried to simply jump in and swim to the other landmasses.
The only way it starts to theoretically make sense at this point is if Sylvanas destroying the Helm of Domination and releasing its power is going to allow something else to take control of the Scourge instead and orchestrate their efforts to attack the living all over Azeroth. Otherwise they’re still just a bunch of mindless animated corpses stuck primarily on the continent with the least people living on it.
I think it would be less that they’re mindless and more that they have basic programming that goes “Eat someone’s face” unless specifically ordered not to. They’d probably reason easily enough how to get elsewhere to eat that face.
Also, there are other ways for the Scourge to get around too. If they gather around undead spellcasters, there’s also the chance that they’ll either make ice bridges, or icebergs floating around until they make landfall.
But it should be stated that the Scourge isn’t just dangerous because of their vast numbers. It’s really their ability to replenish and expand their ranks that probably makes them a real pain in the neck. The Scourge was beaten back by Arthas and company, and they still rallied enough troops to topple three Alliance kingdoms in the same campaign. Every Scourge you kill, they’ve raised two of your soldiers as a substitute.
Anywhere the Scourge crop up, there’s a good chance that they’ll expand their numbers and become a threat real quick.
See, that’s the problem. They aren’t that smart. They’re downright self-destructively simpleminded without an intelligence to guide them.
And their methods of expanding their ranks are all dependent upon the Scourge’s intelligent hierarchy providing methods to do so. Victims don’t arbitrarily rise as new Scourge; they’re raised by either the Lich King himself or an on-site practitioner of necromancy. They aren’t zombie movie undead; just killing and wounding people doesn’t turn them into more Scourge. Their means of creating Scourge is tied to the presence of an intelligent intent to create more Scourge.
An intent that would be absent without the Lich King or his sapient subordinates directing the rest of the host.
When you say “every Scourge you kill, they’ve raised two of your soldiers,” it ignores that someone has to raise those two. Someone with the self-aware intellect to know it needs to be done. Those vast hosts of mindless undead running amok without any Lich King to direct them would, by definition, lack that self-control and intellect.
I think the idea is there is actually a lot of them and most of them are dormant and were dormant even when Ner’Zhul and Arthas had the throne. It might also be a problem of actually keeping them dead which was one of the reasons the Blight was first created.
Well there is a plague of undeath. We have seen people turn from being bitten or infected before now.
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The sad thing is that as much as the “must always need a lich king” never made sense, now it’s literally just retconning it. Sure, the scourge are going to go on a rampage. But we all know this is just for the pre-expansion event.
So…then…no…we didn’t need a lich king, we could have just beaten them back anyway.
Ung…
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