A new record has been set for Wintergrasp Offense!
2 minutes, 22 seconds!
I want to thank everyone in the Shadows of Death community for helping us achieve this great achievement! You guys rock!
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How intriguing.
It really was super fast.
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While it really was super fast, the setup was super slow. It took months to experiment and plan this out properly.
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Really? That makes it all the more interesting. Grats on figuring out something cool like this.
I’m guessing you found an engineering bomb that hurt the walls and hasn’t been scaled correctly?
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People been cheesing the WG door since Wrath, you aren’t special, and it probably isn’t the world record.
Sorry, Hero.
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It took a lot of planning to copy what someone else had already done? lol. That makes it all the more pathetic. Then, your buddy sends me a whisper to brag. Seriously? I don’t rub it in your face every time we stomp you. Grow up. And, no, I don’t think it’s an accomplishment at all. Claim a “world record” all you want…it will always have an asterisk next to it. As in, not obtained the real way. Had to use an exploit to do it.
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Element of surprise, I’d say. IE, sending most of my team to SR, to give the illusion that nothing is happening.
Now that you know this is a thing, I’d have to be a lot more stealthy to perform it successfully. Maybe send rogues to do it…
Yeah, since it was a sneak attack. Deception is warfare.
If you backdoor Volrath/Tremblade against a premade, does that not require deception? You want the enemy to think you are someplace you are not.
You don’t need to see how we did it. Months of effort went into this plan, we’re not just gonna give it to you.
As I said, if you’re concerned we were exploiting, just report it, and let Blizzard tell you.
Yeah, this isn’t the Wrath version of Wintergrasp.
GS was able to fly North of Wintergrasp and jump down to the gate as soon as the game started. In the epic BG version, that’s not possible. Different strats had to be used to get to the wall in the first place, in record time.
As I said, Any%. You mentioned 3:55, but was that obtained by shooting with the Demolishers OVER the second wall, attacking the last wall from the outer courtyard? If yes, then that wasn’t the “real way” either, as you only destroyed 2 walls, not 3.
Bottom line is, Shadows of Death now holds the record for Wintergrasp at 2:22. Anyone is welcome to try to beat it.
If anyone else is looking for a great Epic BG community, Shadows of Death is currently recruiting, Alliance side! Contact me to join!
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They have a member that was kicked out of a PVP community? That is astonishing! I mean, maybe. I mean to say, it’s not as though they were removed, and then rejoined the same community on purpose, using a different character…Right? Because, let’s be honest, that would just be, well, very desperate, deliberately creepy, and well, sad, wouldn’t it? In a broad hypothetical imaginative sense of the concept.
This is gold. Lmao. look at all these horde ragers.
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If it’s a speed run does it matter how it’s done? I mean in most speed runs that I’ve seen of other games people are not doing it “the right way”. They are not stopping to kill every enemy and in some instances even bypassing parts of the level. Also why belittle him for stealing someone else’s idea? Is there a rule against using a similar strategy? You too could use it yourself, no?If it is truly a world record congratulations!
On the other hand if the technique was to be patched or removed from the game then I would say that this is not valid
Not here to pick a side so don’t crucify me.
Happy gaming!
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You shouldn’t be trying to repeat it because it’s clearly not an intentional way to beat the BG. This is a hell of a lot different to beating Ashran by rushing the general. You’re bringing in external items that a) clearly aren’t scaling correctly and b) likely aren’t even inteded to do damage to the walls at this point in the first place.
Remember, when Goon Squad did this, it was not considered a valid strategy or a hard-earned win. While it was really funny and people got a kick out of it, it was considered an unintentional exploit and Blizzard went out of their way to stop it from happening. Even then, it took them an entire raid all using Saronite Bombs twice to bring it down which took some time due to the cooldown. If you were able to do it with a single group (evident based on a) people who saw you and b) the fact that you just said you sent most of your raid to SR i.e. the default strat) in just a few seconds that means you’re using an item that’s not even remotely scaled correctly, thoroughly outclassing the Vehicles themselves which do 1000-2000 siege damage per ability. Do you really think Blizzard intended external engineering bombs to be the optimal way to clear Wintergrasp? And no, getting past the walls does not make it valid. Multiple classes have methods of bypassing the walls into the inner courtyards including my own and it’s done every single game.
I don’t really find that strat impressive either, especially since it mostly doesn’t work . You seem to be confused between clever tricks and hard-fought wins. Don’t get me wrong; I like a fun deception strat but I’m not going to take to the forums and act like I just got an unbelievable world forst or anything.
Bruh, spare me the “months of effort” talk. You likely iterated over a bunch of explosives in the open world Northrend Wintergrasp until you found something broken and then you took a group of people that could jump the outer wall and run up to the front gate while the entire enemy team was at the main fight.
We have reported this and are expecting a fix given you’ve just signalled your intention to repeat it and we don’t want to see every Wintergrasp game turn into a match of ignoring vehicles and rushing to the front gate with random items of broken scaling from outside PvP. It’s funny the first time but we sure as hell aren’t letting this become the WG meta. Every time some cheesy exploit strat like this has been used for PvP battlegrounds in the past it has been fixed.
Yes, you had to get over an outer wall. So what? Defenders don’t stay in the keep at the start for obvious reasons so you had no players in the fight, which means it was just a matter of getting 5 or so people over an outer wall. Again, people jump the outer wall every game to destroy turrets and disrupt ranged defenders. The only new element you added to this was finding an item that still did siege damage; a lot more than evidently intended.
2 minutes is roughly the amount of time it takes to get to the main entrance from the offense starting position given you can’t use a teleporter and have to jump an outer wall… again, spare me the self-aggrandisement. People do this sort of thing every single game.
Ah yes, because getting to rank 2, capturing a workshop, getting a vehicle to the keep and defending it to bring an outer wall down, and then defending it while it turrets boulders over the wall to the front gate at a rate of 1k damage every 1.5 secs is comparable to beelining to the gate at the start and using an item acquired from somewhere else to do much more siege damage and break the gate in a few seconds…
Shooting over the wall is literally an intended part of Wintergrasp since the BG launched and it’s a very important contingency strategy for offensive teams once the defense sets in. Demolishers are ranged for a reason; you have the option of holding back at range to be safer in exchange for less damage output on the wall. It’s actually super impressive to see it pulled off because it doesn’t take a lot for offense to shut it down. In fact during the 9.0 demo bug this is one of the major reasons it was so hard for offense to win; there was absolutely no contingency and no ranged capability.
You hold the record for someone doing it with an unintended item with bad scaling. Aside from the fact that no one cares about Wintergrasp speed records, for the people who do it will simply be a footnote: the fastest was just under 4 minutes, but it was done a lot faster with an exploit which may not be possible for very long.
Speed runs actually have categories for this sort of thing. For example, in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker speedruns they have categories for “barrer skip” and “no barrier skip”, because the barrier skip exploit is very significant and changes the entire run in a way that makes it much more trivial yet subject to RNG.
Plus, this isn’t a speedrun. This is PvP in a multiplayer online game so we’d rather not have it dominated by exploit metas.
It’s not so much about copying people or anything. It’s about pretending they achieved a major feat and put in a bunch of effort comparable to, you know, winning the BG normally without exploiting. It’s also distressing to see that they intend to repeat this as much as possible. I actually like WG a lot and I don’t want to see such unintended exploiting strategies to become the meta.
Given the history of Saronite Bomb strats in PvP and PvE in the past and how Blizzard has responded to them it seems there very much is a right way and a wrong way, in fact.
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I lead epic bgs all the time…we dont cheat. imagine taking epics this seriously
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between all the actual hard cheating SoD has been caught doing, how do we know you didn’t just edit your addon file to fudge the numbers??
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u r an epic bg enthusiast getting triggered in a forum thread over a dead game mode pls stop pretending u have a job
Because Cinco was there an as eye-witness.
I wouldn’t suppose you have any…”examples” would you?
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i have 3 jobs, both 7 figures
fight me
she seems pretty adamant that you cheated, given that we saw your team cheating in the previous match, why should your record count?
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Point is, if I truly “fudged the numbers” in the addon, then what exactly is Cinco claiming I did?
(Still looking for those “examples”)
i just got a 4th job for 8 figures