"Wining" the Raid?

You need to be hesitant when using the word “literally.” Nothing of what you said concerning Sylvanas happens in game. If it does later, we have yet to see it. You do not know what happens next with Sylvanas and your feelings on the matter won’t change that. Assuming things based on emotion is the perfect way to be wrong about something.

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We do have ingame evidence of Sylvanas being welcomed into Oribos instead of being brought to justice.

We also have PTR ingame evidence of Tyrande not wanting to bring Sylvanas to justice anymore and being set up to forgive her.

Sylvanas’ crimes are not unforgivable. The lore of Shadowlands is that all souls can be redeemed. If you played through the Rivendreth story you would know this. Your feelings on the situation do not matter. What matters is the established lore in the game and where the writers take the characters based on that lore. You cannot put your personal standards of forgiveness, justice or judgement into lore that already has an established foundation.

As far as Tyrande, be happy that she didn’t die as well. That was the point of her coming to the conclusion she did. She was on the edge of death trying to stop Sylvanas. Rage was consuming her. Elune herself knows that what Tyrande was doing was not the right thing which means there is information about Elune, and from Elune, that we do not have yet so it is not right nor fair to come to any conclusions about anything yet.

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I’m quite certain that “welcome into Oribos” will not be met with much less than chains and harshness for now. You’re being completely irrational about this and assuming things that are not true simply because Sylvanas didn’t die when and where you thought she should. Sylvanas is a character that is well established in the story and is very well loved by a lot of WoW fans. Treating her with a typical villain’s end would be an insult to her character especially since what the jailer is doing now is far more important than anything Sylvanas ever did. In fact if he gets any further in his plans, none of it will even matter.

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Sylvanas skips her judgement and that redemption process though, she just suddenly turned good.

In lore where things get retconned in the matter of a patch lol

Lol you must be joking

No, we just know that Elune abandoned the Night Elves entirely.

Ok you’re absolutely trolling lol

Funny how you mention that Sylvanas is a well established character in the lore and thus can do whatever she wants without consequences and have the story all about her, yet Night Elves were also a well established race in the lore and they lost everything and were driven to extinction with no resolution at all. Also being abandoned by their well established goddess.

I’m done with you low effort troll

What happens during the fight is you’re effectively chasing the Jailer while Sylvanas and Anduin delay you. 50% is when the Jailer completes his ritual and claims his sigil back. You can see him on the platform doing this in the background of P3.

In most cases it is a form of hyperbole. Using “literally” as hyperbole has been around for a long time. It wasn’t something people thought of recently just to piss off people like Weird Al.

But in this case it is not that.

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You’re completely irrational and not responding with anything of substantive value. Calling me a “low effort troll” is immature. You keep talking as if you’ve seen months into the future of what the story brings. You said Elune abandoned the night elves. How do you know? Because she didn’t allow Tyrande to finish Sylvanas when she could have? There is more to the story that hasn’t been shown to us yet. That is why that happened. You’re interpreting it out of emotion instead of looking at what it all means going forward. If you think Elune has abandoned the night elves then you’re completely wrong. If you’re this distraught over the game’s story then perhaps you should take a break from it.

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Because I’ve seen it. It’s in the story lol

Because she let Teldrassil burn, let the Night Elf souls go to the maw and be obliterated, sided with Sylvanas over Tyrande etc

Maybe you’d make for a better troll if you knew something about the story at all

I agree 100% with your preface, she argues purely based on emotions.

However, the problem - or the situation with Elune is more complex - because one will always have to ask the question; "If Elune could have theoretically prevented it because she is powerful enough (which would also be a being of titanic equivalent strength, but I think elune is even higher in the foodchain), why didn’t she?

Well, then you can say her loyal believing “subjects” have a purpose to fulfill in the afterlife, that’s why she did it, for the great circle, but it doesn’t change the fact that Elune would be the deity who deliberately let her subjects burn…to fulfill a greater purpose.

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Ethriel. You need to stop. She did not get away, and she WILL ATONE for her crimes. “She’s just turned good again,” is an assumption you are making. This is NOT confirmed, stop lying to people, and stop making yourself unnecessarily angry…

You saying “she’s getting away with this, completely forgiven,” is you injecting your own EXTREME bias into the situation. Nothing of the sort has happened on the PTR, you are blowing smoke. And if the game’s story upsets you so much, just quit? It’s like your full time job on these forums to whine about how unfair everything is for Night Elves, even if what you’re saying isn’t true. Aren’t you tired? Why continue giving Blizzard money for access to these forums if they’ve disappointed you so much? I’m just confused, I suppose. :confused:

And this is coming from an Anduin stan… I really, really hate Sylvanas for everything she’s done, but I continue to enjoy the story. IF IT ENDS BADLY, say, with his death, I will quit forever. It’s that simple. I have a hard line, and his death is it. I won’t even log in if they make us kill him in a raid or something. Doubtful, but that’s my line. It SEEMS as if Blizzard has crossed your line. So again, why are you still here?

I thought “waiting and seeing” wasn’t working for you anymore? So what is this? “Here Blizzard, I hate everything you’ve done for the past couple years, but continue to take this money”? GIRL. What is you doin’? :pensive:

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The purpose being getting tortured and obliterated in the maw to make the jailer slightly stronger?

Lol

Elune allowed her followers to be burned alive or slain, to be tortured in the maw for an eternity and then obliterated in the maw to make the Jailer and Sylvanas stronger.

No she won’t lol. She’ll be portrayed as the hero going forward

No, it’s in the lateast cinematic.

Yes it is.

No, it’s me paying attention to the story and writers.

Yes, specifically with Tyrande not wanting Sylvanas to face justice anymore.

I’m just gonna go ahead and pay attention to what you’re saying and call a spade a spade. You’re trolling. Always. I mean, that’s what it looks like, so that must be what’s happening, according to your rules of observation. And you have not explained why you continue to give Blizzard money if you are so disappointed in the story. More evidence towards you being a troll in for the long haul. Sad.

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Oh yea, being upset with the complete eradication and removal of the Night Elves from the setting and story and the lack of any resolution, justice or positive moment looks like trolling.

Like I said, you’re irrational. So irrational you’ve resorted to calling people trolls you simply disagree with. At that point, its not possible to have a rational discussion about anything with you. If you’re this emotional about it, why are you still here? Do you just like spending your time calling people trolls when you disagree with them? if you honestly believe the unproven things you’ve said here then why do you care to keep talking about it? Being irrational about it isn’t going to make them change the story to accommodate your feelings.

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If you lack any knowledge about the lore and spill nonsense then I’m not interested in it. You must have skipped SL and BfA entirely since you seemingly know nothing at all and need to ask for a source or evidence for everything that has already happened

No. I asked for a source for all the things you’ve said have happened in the story that haven’t and no your feelings are not a source.

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They have happened, you just refused to acknowledge them because it doesn’t fit your “Sylvanas fan fiction good” and “Night Elf extinction and removal from the setting is fine” narrative

No. I’m just one to wait and see how the story unfolds before coming to conclusions on things like you have. Your precious night elves aren’t extinct by the way. Let me know when they aren’t available on the character creation screen. Also they’re literally everywhere throughout the game. Not all of them died at Teldrassil. But anyway, none of this matters to you. You’ve been irrational this whole time about this so trying to talk to you about it is a waste of time.

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It does when you so clearly think that this is an absolute loss, and YET you continue to financially support this company that has so utterly devastated you. So again, why do you keep giving them money? If not for the sake of trolling?

The other answer here is that you are absolutely being incredibly irrational, but are irrevocably addicted to the game, so you cannot help but obsess on the forums about the things you hate about it… which is also sad. And the implication here is that you need this. You are so angry at what they’ve done, that you need to be able to just shout at Blizzard and anyone who disagrees with your policy that Sylvanas should just be executed on the spot. :confused:

And you still haven’t said. Why keep giving them money? It’s a simple question.

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