Windowed Full screen Issues ; Non Graphical related flickering

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So I have scoured everywhere for a fix or information on my seemingly very specific issues to no avail.

Basically it seems windows isn’t properly reading the program as “borderless full screen” so as I click around the taskbar and desktop will flash over the game. If done fast enough it crashes. Watching task manager as I click around it registers the window as “not responding” for maybe .5 seconds causing the flicker.

I have tried all the call it “usual” fixes, explorer reset, all drivers updated, Windows update, swapping between all direct x options, compatibility modes for the program, disabling g-sync, adjusting max frame values in background ; foreground etc, I even disabled my monitor overclock.

I kind of dug under the problem by having the taskbar hide itself but that just led to full stop hitches into a crash after x time.

It’s been years since I’ve played and I really want to get in again but this is absolutely will breaking! Any advice appreciated :smiling_face_with_tear:

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  • Are you using multiple monitors? Remove the extra cables so you only have one screen attached
  • Have you screwed with the executable options with placebo fixes like “disable fullscreen optimizations” at all? Undo it
  • Have you messed with placebo registry option changes? Undo them
  • Have you made 100% sure that absolutely nothing else is running and that ALL non-microsoft background apps are disabled and not running? Close them and/or kill the tasks
  • Have you ran an admin elevated cmd prompt sfc /scannnow and DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth ? run them

A healthy installation of Windows shouldn’t be fighting for focus like that. That smells like a damaged windows installation, a virus, bad drivers, a bad external software that has overlays like all the mouse/keyboard/headset softwares or bad user changes to the OS environment.

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  • Nope
  • Yes but those have been undone
  • Nope
  • Yes 150%
  • Just did and no issues found (I even ran a DDU uninstaller in safe mode to purge any driver weirdness)

Did another restart and still an issue. This is a relatively fresh install, i’m running Win10 workstation (Legit). The only other time i’ve had this issue (although not nearly as bad) was Black Desert but that was solved with exclusive fullscreen.

Kind of why this entire problem has me really scratching my head. Also tried many combinations of disabling ; enabling the various built in “Gamer” modes. I’m tech savvy but I try not to dig to much, not sure if I can find a root cause with a dump file of the program (have programs to read the file just no idea what i’m looking at).

I have a theory its something to do with the alt-tab / multitask settings. Previously my desktop was registered as its own “window” when I would alt tab making it easy to get to but something changed somewhere and thats no longer the case and im not running any virtual things.

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Post a DXDIAG report, you can upload it to pastebin and post the link here. Select the link text and press ctrl+e so that the text looks like this

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https://pastebin.com/sELda6CJ

Also thank you!

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Considering you’re using a 3080 with the latest drivers and Windows appears to be up to date, this really stands out to me:

MPO MaxPlanes: 1
MPO Caps: Not Supported
MPO Stretch: Not Supported
MPO Media Hints: Not Supported
MPO Formats: Not Supported
PanelFitter Caps: Not Supported
PanelFitter Stretch: Not Supported

For instance, here’s what it looks like on a PC with a 2080 in it and up to date drivers:

MPO MaxPlanes: 4
MPO Caps: RGB,YUV,BILINEAR,HIGH_FILTER,STRETCH_YUV,STRETCH_RGB,IMMEDIATE,HDR (MPO3)
MPO Stretch: 10.000X - 0.500X
MPO Media Hints: resizing, colorspace Conversion 
MPO Formats: NV12,P010,YUY2,R16G16B16A16_FLOAT,R10G10B10A2_UNORM,R8G8B8A8_UNORM,B8G8R8A8_UNORM
PanelFitter Caps: RGB,YUV,BILINEAR,HIGH_FILTER,STRETCH_YUV,STRETCH_RGB,IMMEDIATE,HDR (MPO3)
PanelFitter Stretch: 10.000X - 0.500X

Have you performed a DDU reinstall of the drivers? If so, that would have undone any MPO disable fix, which was a fairly common workaround for a while a year or two ago. Maybe this is some kind of weird difference between workstation editions of Windows or something, not positive and I don’t have a ton of experience with that edition.

Either way, a plane interaction could definitely cause an issue like this since it all happens within the DWM compositor. You’re sure you haven’t ran anything that might have disabled the DWM? Maybe it’s just a workstation edition thing or something. I’ll have to do some research later on if I can remember, but this is looking like it might be some issue with the edition of Windows you’re using.

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Yes I did a DDU reinstall last night, honestly I didnt even know what MPO was until just now. Doing my own research I tried to enable/disable it but no results.

As for the DWM same deal, didn’t even know what that was or did until now. The only things I really removed or changed were a lot of windows bloat garbage which should have nothing near what my problem is.

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How did you remove them, did you use a debloat tool? If you used a tool for it, it’s possible that it removed core components like the xbox and gaming services or the Microsoft Store. As far as I know, Nvidia drivers need the Microsoft Store to download the rest of the DHC componets and whatnot, since they ONLY release DHC drivers now.

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Tool used to disable via script not remove, I had done it before which I ended up reverting and doing a clean install of windows because it did exactly that.

I just re-enabled all the stock features etc with windows and still didn’t fix it :frowning:

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Yeah this might just be some weird limitation of the workstation edition then. Your system should definitely have more than one active plane if MPO hasn’t been messed with. Can you verify that you have a functioning Nvidia control panel?

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Yhup all that works fine and is accounted for. I ended up finding an older thread that you also happened to reply to about by running a DDU then installing the newest drivers via the website and not geforce experience. Same result, however I somehow found success running DX11 Legacy which has no issues. Which isnt a dealbreaker or anything raytracing is a scam but its just frustrating knowing I could be getting greater performance with DX12.

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Do you have any spare regular Windows keys from other machines? You could always try installing that instead of the workstation edition. Other than that, I’m out of ideas other than recommending you try asking around on the Windows forums/discussions.

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I do but considering I’ve done something to fix it as is I’ll stick with that for now. Maybe if I’m lucky someone will see this thread and add some ideas! Ty for all the help!

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