TIL: windows 7 has about the same popularity with 2022 gamers as macOS
Windows 7 was great but itâs just a big security risk at this point to keep using it.
Begs the question why support MacOS 
The answer is because theyâd get crucified by reviewers if they donât. I remember at least one brand of external hard drive that had Mac support for the same reason. They never really sold many to Mac users though.
Oh⊠and because Apple literally pays them to support the M1 GPU. That is a thing because Apple marketing budgets.
Points to my post a month ago where I stated Windows 7 will not work with DF.
You need Win 10. Youre missing a DLL file at the very least
A hard drive is a hard drive. If you can connect it to a computer, you can make it work.
As easy as bootcamp is to use (for models that support it), thereâs a difference between cutting support for an entire platform and cutting support for an old version of your main platform.
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Why cut support when you can get Apple to pay for it? MS isnât going to pay for Win 7 support though. They MIGHT pay for DirectStorage support, which wonât work on Win 7. But surprise surprise works on 10 and 11.
MS has officially cut support for windows 7. Itâs what happens when there was a new version intended to supersede it that was released 10 years ago.
with the 1st version to do a good job of replacing it coming out 7 years ago.
Precisely the point, and OS vendors only pay for support when it suits their marketing budget.
Also, if you look at the minimum requrements for Mac, itâs macOS 10.15, which came out in 2019.
Win7, the fug?
Apple is much more aggressive when it comes to terminating old support. They also have much bigger breaking changes between versions. In the time I did mobile dev an iOS release was something to be dreaded.
I am sure about that. I said what didnât replace it. I never once said it was not replaced.
Why? If you own the keys you can legally look at them. They are yours. That is what I said. They do own them. Thats a fact. Look it up. You own the computer. You dont own Windows in itâs entirety.
You rally think you own the software you use? Sometimes but not always. Owning your computer does not mean that you own the software on it.
That is a lie by omission.
It has way more app capabilities. It doesnt for the newest stuff, but it can do a lot more of the old stuff than current Windows can.
Windows 11 doesnât even run DOS as well as Windows 10 does. The newer the OS, the fewer old apps can run on it.
They had to cut services for Windows 7 just to encourage people to buy upgrades.
So it was never outdated. Still isnt. MS had to cut them off. You dont make money if people stay with a product for over a decade and dont buy any of your new stuff.
I didnt think people still use it, but here to tell you, it is not completely obsolete. Not being able to run WoW doesnt mean that your Operating System no longer works. You think it means that but that is not the case.
The system requirement is for 64bit; NTVDM does not exist in 64bit windows. Nor does Win16 support.
Nor does windows 7, Windows 7 64bit does not support NTVDM. Youâd have to be using 32bit for that and even then the use is deprecated. MS recommends you just use DOSBOX. Which runs just fine on Windows 11 and 10.
Not even sure what you mean by this.
NTVDM was removed after the last enterprise customer moved off before Win 11 shipped. They are no longer using Win16 apps that required real mode emulation. Or if they are they are using DOSBox for that now. MS had wanted to remove 32 bit support in Windows 8 and 10 but in both cases several or one respectively customers had held them back.
No, but thatâs the entire point of the thread. So the argument youâre putting forth is irrelevant. If the OS doesnât run WoW then itâs not suitable for the game by definition.
Please donât be rude and assume you know what Iâm thinking, thatâs incredibly patronizing and wrong.
âŠOk. Now you are straight up using Google to get your answers.
I played WarCraft 1 Orcs&Humans on Windows 7 and even up to 8 with 8 using the DOS-Box. Win 7 didnt even need the DOS-Box. MS DOS was able to run all the way up until Windows XP. So you are spouting fallacy now. You can even see YT vids of people using DOS on those OS.
Windows 7 got constant updates back in the day too. I remember doing a fresh Win7 install and spending literal hours waiting for Windows Update to pull in the hundreds of updates thatâd accumulated over the years.
The pace has picked up with newer Windows releases certainly, but itâs not as if frequent updates are a new thing. Really, the only thing thatâs changed is the capacity to turn off updates â in newer Windows releases itâs greatly diminished, because in older releases people would turn off updates which eventually turned their computers into one of hundreds of thousands of infected âzombieâ computers in various botnets thanks to all the security holes left open. Updates are annoying but theyâre a fact of life.
Windows 10 works fine on those systems and will be supported by MS until 2025 IIRC. I have a laptop from 2008 running it just fine.
Iâve been writing software for a living for nearly 8 years at this point and tinkering in the field for twice that, and while there are things I could do to make a Win7 system more unlikely to be infected, it has many vulnerabilities that I am powerless to fix short of simply never connecting the machine running it to the internet (which I think is fine, retro operating systems can be useful if permanently offline).
Windows 10/11 is worse from a perspective of keeping your data out of Microsoftâs hands, but itâs objectively much better in terms of keeping unwanted third parties out. No you canât stop the most determined hackers but the overwhelming majority of exploits are scattershot and not targeted â the goal is to not be part of the lowest hanging fruit (which old OSes belong to) which does more to keep your system secure after common sense (e.g. donât click on shady links) than anything else.
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Not sure about the games, but I know that the EU pushed Microsoft to remove its built in Windows Media Player because Microsoft was using its platform popularity and pushing for a Monopoly on Media Player Software which is against EU Regulation in late 04 / early 05.
No, please donât make baseless accusations. Iâve had customers Iâve had to support on this⊠they were quite annoying.
Because you were running 32bit and NTVDM still was present. Itâs technically present on later versions up until it was removed in windows 11. Itâs just disabled by default.
No in fact one of the controversies of XP was the removal of DOS and the swap to NTVDM, that also occurred in windows ME to an extent when they removed real mode DOS support (sort of).
Youâre just insulting people? Which is against forum Code of Conduct, please be respectful.
Thatâs the âDOSâ they are using. Or they are using DOSBOX, Real mode DOS support was officially removed in windows ME.
and does not exist at all in NT Operating systems.
There are SO many vulnerabilities with win 7. How you havenât gotten hacked yet idk.
I went straight from XP 32 bit to W10 64 bit. Not a picnic. And upgraded to an SSD at the same time.