Will Wrath Survive for ICC w the Dwindling population?

Yeah, to me it basically looks like Diablo III: Part Deux. At least the graphics look really good.

I would say yes, active players will drop quicker than the drops in TBC and Vanilla between phases. Gearing is really easy this phase compared to the last. In 3 weeks I am almost fully geared in 225/ 232 and just missing 3 pieces as most people’s BIS list items now drop in a single raid. The fact that two other pieces are craftable and Darkmoon trinkets are still BIS for most, it will take even less time, (you don’t really need HC versions of bosses really) to get full normal mode BIS. I can see many raiders getting full 232 and just quitting to try again when ToTC comes out or ICC.

There’s clearly something wrong, you can tell just by their temperament.

Or maybe we’re just really tired of people arguing in bad faith as a counter to RDF?

You just have to look at the current state of classic to dismiss virtually every single concern about the implementation of RDF. It feels like the people arguing against it simply don’t play the game.

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I’m starting to think a lot of people say they played Wrath but never really played it. Maybe for a few patches here and there…like maybe they played retail first, way past Wotlk and then started playing classic and decided because Retails RDF was bad that by default since RDF came from wrath it’s automatically bad.

Anyone coming in from a position of neutrality with an eyeroll about the fanaticism of your position is going to considered “bad faith”. If I grabbed a couple of friends and levelled with them to level 30 or 40, used the LFG tool with them, and then tell them there was this group of people on the forums who post about a supposedly better version of this LFG tool in threads every day, sometimes unrelated to it, they’d probably ask “what’s the big deal about this?” and if they used the forums as well, they’d probably ask “Why when I am reading about Ulduar tuning, do people demand RDF? How is that related?”

Then they would go into an RDF thread and be called a troll, or a flat earther when they say it doesn’t sound much different from LFG except with cross realm. They’d probably be called worse things when they say it doesn’t fix the problems they have with Wrath.

I’ve never seen a group of people so whipped up on this forum about a topic. Something is wrong.

It will survive until Arthas is downed again and guilds feel accomplished because everyone will want to raid ICC from the veterans that played OG wrath to the new ones that wants to experience the “legendary” ICC.

The real death will be when ICC is on farm mode, there you’ll see the death of wrath. I don’t think classic wow will live through Cata classic either.

Edit: I’m not saying Cata is a bad expansion, but after the “classic trilogy” is done, the magic is lost.

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It’s adorable when people like you use “common sense” as an argument and yet you lack the fundamental basics pertaining to “common sense”.

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So your saying a company does not want things to be more efficient resulting in bigger profits for less effort and less risk?

And you say I don’t understand the “fundamental basics” :man_facepalming:

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item bonus? what item bonus? and oh no you get 13 gold for completing a dungeon heavens forbid someone receives 13 gold for a second third or even fourth dungeon. how dare you receive gold. and whatever item bonus is.

personally i think these anti-rdfers look for anything they can cling to to save face.

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Who is coming into these threads with a shrug exclaiming “I just don’t care”?

Dude, this is why no one believes you play the game.

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They run the dungeons anyways so the extra is a bonus never said it’s a dealer breaker but free gold for doing the same thing is still free gold :roll_eyes:

Is completely irrelevant to the fact it teleports them around and hides them from players who can report them they are only in the world long enough to sell and then on to a fresh new random dungeon reducing the risk.

Less reports = less account banned meaning they have to spend less = more profit

Dude, if reporting actually mattered this might be a point. It clearly doesn’t.

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if you are worried about 13 freaking gold for a dungeon you’ve lost touch with reality. you will make far more gold from simply maxing out your dailies in northrend. and i mean the high value dailies. oh and as it stands the two dailies give close to 90 G. if you’re so fixated on gold this is the worst way to get cold. gold from dungeon grinding is weak and pathetic argument anyone that makes this a complaint deserved to be dragged.

as far as teleporting to dungeons and the bots being reported. those players would be kickable. further more you can tell a bot if they get kicked and reported enough then you’ve done your job. saying no RDF because of Bots when you have basic B**** heroics all but dead. you’ve done nothing more than incentivize players to buy gold from the very bots on the game. which goes toward people complaining about GDKP runs while i have zero issues with GDKP its that people blame GDKP for the bots because box just farm up gold. the big problem about your argument and its stupid. because i don’t see the bots you guys claim to see in the open world or in pvp (partly because i don’t do pvp) but stating there is gonna be less? in fact i think that would be completely ignorant to say as i said you can see how a bot moves just mass report. if it doesn’t take a res after charging full steam into a pack of mobs report as bot and kick. boom 4 reports and kicked from the dungeon. you act as if there wouldn’t be anyway to action these bots.

lastly because i can rail on you for hours. but teleports is just a lame argument. its old its tired. you can still report them even if they are teleporting and getting kicked.

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How can you report a group of 5 bots that are being teleported to different dungeons every time you can’t /who and see them they would just look like every other player as it’s not longer 50 dk’s in maraudon for example which is something I have seen posted multiple times on YouTube videos and forums. it’s now 4 dk’s and a healing race. You no longer see them in world as they are only seen when are selling items.

You no longer see them walking in and out of dungeon which again is another way people have been posting on this forums and YouTube about spotting bots.

But of course you will ignore this fact because of some rant you are going on about trying to be oblivious to this like it’s not true is honestly laughable.

They obviously are not going to join random groups 1 by 1 they will get detected easily by a player this way and as you stated they would be kicked quiet easily this way. But then again maybe not as frequently as you may think no one cares in RDF aslong as the player or “bot” is attacking and bosses are dying who cares for most groups anyways so this could very well be relevant way smaller gold sellers could operate

So you can straw man this anyway you want but it is and will be 100% a valid way for gold sellers to make more efficient gold.

welp blizz and players are at fault.
players were sitting here gatekeeping at launch, wanting 10 min quick dungeons with tbc raid gear when you literally could do uk at like 68 lol. it is entry level and you clowns ruined it.
now you have no one to play with because you blocked them off. good job.

blizz the jokes ruined it bc no rdf when they knew this was a problem over a decade ago yet we are still facing the same issue lol. i hope with Brian gone we can get someone who listens or idk. dude was turning the game into retail.
sucks but is what it be. they used wrath as a project left abandoned.

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Easy fix, don’t allow for specific dungeon queing. The bots only want to run certain dungeons.

Next.

you think this is a fix? you do not see players on forums complaining they are being gatekept already and you want it to now be done by blizzard from dungeons? like legitimately you actually think that would not open a whole other can of worms

so once i level to 80 i shouldnt be able to run normal quests in northrend because i get twice the gold reward due to no experience reward? thats basically what youre saying.

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so you link your proof from a guy trying to sell his money making plan and guys that have 11 subscribers? you sure you arent redhead’s alt? because youre coming across as ignorant as he is.

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