I don’t care if they have a connection to lordaeron or not, lordaeron isn’t what i’m interested in, i’m interested in the forsaken as they are, a collection of people with different shapes and sizes, all working together
Eh, was with you til we recall she stands there an helps Anduin become a victim himself. I get that hurt people, hurt people- but considering its symbolism at best, it falls short of obtaining an meaninful survivorship messaging when she was so willing to dominate others in two Xpacs, back to back.
Like every other country in wow is an enthostate the forsaken are the one outlier, but thats bad now apparently cause people can’t picture an undead elf and an undead human getting along
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Yeah, I think the bigger sin (the other being reducing them to Sylvanas fodder) is boiling the tension out of the Forsaken as a faction as they related to the wider world. If the entire world accepts them… well, what does Forsaken even mean at that point? Now we’ve got pristine light zombies being added into the mix and the game beating us over the head trying to push the idea that light zombies are no different than death zombies (despite that clearly not being the case).
I think it is one symptom of many in a case of the writers being offended by the things that made the world interesting, if I’m being brutally honest. Judging others based on their immutable characteristics = bad in the real world, so we can’t have the heroes of the story (team blue) doing that to zombies now, I guess.
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i think there are manifold problems with how the lore has panned out, but i do mean to ask as an honest question, in a sort of open-ended fashion:
there were warlocks and undead in classic doing the same heroic feats as paladins and priests, and they have not ceased acting basically heroically since then. in a dynamic universe which will have to narratively sustain itself over the course of decades, how would it make sense to ensure that warlocks and undead remain reviled? like at a certain point i simply think you’re going to have to give the forsaken leeway to not always be ostracized; the degree of one’s creativity determines whether one will be able to write (or accept) such a story.
edit: ‘warlocks and undead’ ofc here also refer in a general sense to the ideas of, like, void magic and undeath in general. i bluntly think the forsaken actually took their biggest loss in terms of making sense as a faction when death knights joined the alliance, but that’s just me.
We’ve no end of examples in the real world of groups of people willing to invade and war against one another because of old grudges, old borders, old religious disputes, want of resources, etc. I have an extremely easy time subscribing to the notion that people on Azeroth would never be able to move past walking corpses and demon summoning cults.
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eeeeeh. i think probably that makes for bad storytelling. if a character and their takes remain static thru the entirety of the time we know them, then it’s as tho there was never any story in the first place.
Static with tension vs. Static with no tension. If the entire buy in for a faction hinges on their rejection, if you remove that rejection… congratulations, your zombies are just humans with a skin condition.
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I think the oppurtunity to have the alliance reject the forsaken kinda went by with Death knights, Which is unfortunate, but blizzard thought the coolness of death knights was worth undermining the forsaken’s story
I agree with banshees.
Dark rangers will be consumed and subsumed by night elves.
I agree with this in part, but more because that is the theme of the Horde in Total.
The Forsaken kicked anyone out who didn’t fall into the Cult of Sylvanas until the Cult of Sylvanas became illegal within the Horde.
They literally didn’t, that wasen’t a thing
Leonid Bartholomew
Lilian Voss
Koltira Deathweaver*
*He was tortured and tried to be mentally manipulated into servitude.
I’m also being polite and not mentioning the book that shouldn’t be canon.
You know the one.
He was tortured because he threw a battle for his alliance friend, lilian never joined the forsaken until bfa and Leonid left cause he didn’t approve of necromancy, they weren’t kicked out they chose to leave
He captured Andorhal, as was ordered.
https://youtu.be/AmfXckMmCDU?t=16
Then she sends him to be mentally manipulated.
When she was forced by Sylvanas into servitude.
Her words, not mine.
No.
The Forsaken never had necromancy until WotLK via Death Knights.
He left because of Sylvanas’s cult.
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Yea, he never was forced to leave he chose too, lilian was conscripted yes, but again was never forced to leave, and again Koltira deserved what he got, cause andorhal was only captured cause sylvanas in disguise came with her valks
If what had happened to Koltira had happened to Sylvanas, you’d be calling anyone who liked it some pretty insulting names. After all, Sylvanas tried to torture and brainwash Koltira into her servitude.
For years.
What’s the difference in Koltira and Sylvanas, Giru?
Sylvanas didn’t risk losing a battle cause she had friends on the other side
Sylvanas intentionally lost an entire war because she had a friend in the Shadowlands.
No she lost a war cause saurfang really wanted to die and couldn’t do the right thing and end it all
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She needed to sabotage the Horde after bleeding the Alliance to further empower her God.
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