We have many undead in the game you telling me they are fake too?
If the order were reversed, one would assume the supplementary details leading up to BFA would also have been changed.
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The cool Sylvanas i liked pre-Legion doesnât exist anymore. Like like Starcraft 1 Kerrigan. Its just a lookalike corpse with the old name taped on on it no matter how hard Blizzard tries to pretend it isnât.
I hate redemption stories.
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I agree with this, but the redemption story wasnât the problem. The cool pre-Legion Sylvanas was derailed by BfA if not before that, and the âredemptionâ is just the writersâ attempt to salvage something from that wreckage.
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Because sheâs ⌠not dead?
News flash: most of what youâre complaining about here is part of how she was ruined by BfA and her fans donât like it either. Theyâre hoping that she can get something to help her come back from that clustercluck of a story.
Metzen doesnât voice Volâjin. Dave Fennoy is the voice actor for that character.
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She was killed by Arthas and raised as a banshee. Arthas kept her body around on the off chance that he could think of some new malice to do with it. When she regained her will she used her banshee ability to posess it.
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So, likeâŚ
Anduin says âNow is the time for the light to retake Lordaeron. We should strike while our naval fleet is decimated after legion. Also, I hate Sylvanasâ
And Tyrande is all âYeah. Itâs not big deal that the reason we havenât is because Darnassusâ would be a sitting duck.â
And then they do that and Tyrande is like âNoooo! Sylvanas! Why would u do everything we always said you would do if we ever attacked Undercity?!!!â
YeahâŚ
If you want to give Afrasiabi credit for not giving us that, ok.
Lmao, Tyrande didnât care about Genn starting a conflict and willingly diverted her entire standing military to go attack Saurfang, any complaints about her being a moron in the hypothetical can be matched by what she actually did in canon.
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Teldrassil should have been a âfalse flagâ (we already have Dreadlords manipulating everything on a cosmic scale) that unfairly painted Sylvanas as the aggressor, because itâs Sylvanas and no one would believe her. She keeps getting forced to do increasingly worse things to survive and keep the Forsaken safe, then when the big reveal comes everyone has pie on their face.
I feel like there were a few breadcrumbs that were leading in that direction (Varimathras quotes in particular), but whatever. Mustache twirl away instead, queen.
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Neat. Has a similar vibe to the Jailor is not the True Jailor theory.
Itâs been a while, but honestly I like villainous Sylvanas as a character and the option to play as a Loyalist to the villain was much needed. We donât all have to be good guys and the setting needs bad guys
Also⌠We basically got what you are suggesting, without the satisfying demonic scapegoat. The poor ranger general was separated from Sylvanas when her soul was sundered and what was left, the banshee queen was evil and irredeemable, and not the true Sylvanas 
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Thatâs where we disagree. I think if WoW is going to live up to its marketing, then yes, we do all have to be good guys.
If one side is going to be âthe bad guys,â the time to set it up that way was 2004. Not 2018.
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Sylvanas was never one of the good guys, but she was also never âIâm going to feed souls to the Super Devil to grind into oblivion because I think it sucks I wonât get to be with Nathanos when we die.â That, and as has been pointed out, we already did the Warchief villain/Horde Finding Its Soul storyline.
Basically, taken with MoP and WoD in sum total, all they managed to convey is that most of the Horde is populated by inherently bloodthirsty savages who are just looking for an excuse and a bunch of spineless half-wits who will turn off their brains, drool, and watch on passively until someone from the Alliance finger wags at them enough to join a rebellion.
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Technically, she was striking a deal with Helya which is Hypothetically part of the story that was to lead us down the road to Shadowlands.
Odyn traded his eye to Muehzala for the ability to see into the Shadowlands where he saw the Kyrian who totally existed secretly when they decided Odyn gave up his eye. Odyn told Helya to make Valkyr like the Kyrian he saw and Helya refused because she didnât think it was fair to force people to be Valkyr. To make Helya do what he wanted, Odyn turned her into the first Valkyr this making her beholden to him. Realistically, I think this story got hit by the same confusion bat as other parts of the Shadowlands narrative and that really, Odyn traded his eye to Muehzala for domination magic and thatâs how he turned Helya into a Valkyr and forced her to create the other Valkyr.
All that to say that this is another two sided narrative that is awesome. Odyn is NOT the good guy. Sylvanas wasnât silly to think that Helya might be a similarly powerful, more like-minded ally. Sylvanas had information we didnât have, from her Valkyr handmaidens.
It shouldnât be a faction is the bad guys. But individual characters can be villainous. Thereâs whole villainous classes.
Okay, but when the leader of the faction is your villain, itâs hard if not impossible to escape the entire faction becoming villainous by association.
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Itâs tough. Making her faction leader is definitely part of that story, but it was not the best move from a design point⌠For the mmorpg
I donât think that was the story that was intended.
I think it was âdomination magic bad so Iâm helping Helya and her allies break the wheel like the devsâ favorite Khaleesiâ but in addition to Afrasiabi being marred by scandal and the backlash to WoT showing the marketing department that fans would not accept a âShe did it for freedom and sheâs actually not a bad guy despite Golden using the word âGenocideâ which we know is unforgivableâ explanation. So they said âShe did it because sheâs spiteful dumb and has a hole in her soul.â
Edit: To be fair, when they started writing this narrative, Danearys Targaryen was much more popular, the final two seasons of GoT hadnât come out and people werenât yet fatigued of a crazy Khaleesi.
If you read the book. She thought she was making things better for everyone. âI will set us all freeâ. She even felt that NEs in Teldrasil would be better off in the end. (Loosing the remaining years of life, but gaining an eternity in a better afterlife).
Was that delusional? Yes. Evil and selfish? Not so much.
The souls in The Maw that were getting deleted from existence to fuel Zovaalâs efforts? Kinda hard to experienced better when you donât exist.