Will Shadowlands be the real PVP xpac?

BFA sure wasn’t. :relaxed:

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Nope. Truthfully Legion kinda was because Templates were the best thing ever implemented from a “fair” standpoint but players are disillusioned into thinking that prior gear options (pre legion) actually gave them a sense of choice when really everything is cookie cutter.

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or it could be the fact that the devs were atrociously bad at utilizing them and decided to give me 30% crit as a disc priest when its the worst stat for my class in pvp, and multiple classes had it the same way? also the fact that you literally had no idea of knowing how much damage your abilities were doing because the idiot devs didn’t post the differences anywhere.

not saying that templates are inherently bad, but there’s a reason people disliked legion’s version of templates

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but who cares what your stats are if your spec is good? afaik disc had far more t1 seasons than not throughout legion

if i have 30% crit and 10% mastery but my spec is still good why do i literally care

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Legion didn’t have pvp scaling so not sure what you mean by “no idea of knowing…”. But so did every other disc priest, crit is almost the worst stat for everyone because it’s 150%. Templates offered the most balance system that blizzard could ever offer. PvP vendors are also great, both are much better alternatives than the path blizzard took in BFA and may continue on in Slands.

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haha yea why do i care that my spec plays like a literal snail stuck in glue, but atleast it has good numbers yaknowhatimsayin

also, abilities were balanced seperately (which is a theme that has continued into BFA WHICH IS FINE) but they didn’t have anywhere you could check how the ability was nerfed/buffed without going through 2 years worth of hotfix pages

All they had to do was have rings that cost 100 honor and the secondary stat distribution of the two PvP rings would have determined your templated stat distribution.

Other devs figured this out a long time ago. But I guess Blizz devs are just too good at game design to copy things that already work.

That is true tho, which is just blizzard’s lack of transparency. Both templates and pvp vendors are great routes, I particularly liked templates because blizzard is notoriously bad at everything pvp and believed templates would be the easiest ever to balance.

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i mean this happens to this day i have 0 idea why you’re implying past tense

in dread enhancement healing was template nerfed
enhancement mana was template nerfed

destro gosup is template nerfed

trinkets are template nerfed

don’t remember that ever being the case for any spec but if you’re a haste amp idiot now then i can see why you’d be upset

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that’s exactly what i’m saying though. in theory templates are fine solution, but blizz devs are so incompetent that they can’t even manage to work with those

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so 2 things here considering you seem unable to keep up:

  1. i literally put in a section saying, and i quote: “(which is a theme that has continued into BFA WHICH IS FINE)” end quote.

  2. i literally typed that i’m a disc priest, why would i stack haste amps you buffoon

He’s making fun of you.

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didn’t direct that at you idiot
i directed that at any1 complaining that templates made their spec feel like a ‘snail stuck in glue’ is prob just delusional

i played almost every class in legion
never felt like i would die for 5% more haste or something stupid

if the spec felt bad it was almost never stat related it was entirely ability template nerf related
but there’s 0 chance even a dog 2k disc like u can disagree that legion wasn’t 50x better than bfa

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“don’t remember that ever being the case for any spec but if you’re a haste amp idiot now then i can see why you’d be upset” ya i can tell m8.

for 1, no i don’t think legion was 50x better than bfa, i think they’re both, alongside wod, unbelievably terrible.

and 2, imagine attempting to rating bash someone either same or higher exp than you in all content lol

actually let me edit that, atleast i didn’t have to queue into destro locks on crack in legion

So inb4 Trash bashes again (which he shouldn’t but player’s do what they want), I agree, Legion wasn’t x50 better than BFA, it was 0918209312983712807638712638172638126318273681276381726381212736127836189237128937891273189273981273129371298382121 times better!!!

BFA is such garbage on another level for pvp. BFA is kinda like the thing you say, “Well it can’t get any worse than this…”

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you cant even play the game if you come back into a season 8 weeks in
you literally can’t

for rpg and so someone can have 5% more haste because it fits ‘their playstyle’ or so someone can randomly stack mastery and play bote assass?

dumb

then you didn’t actually q legion

because s5/6/7 destro was arguably better than s2/3/early s4 bfa destro

didn’t attempt

you dont play the game

bro i’m on a throwaway account LOL, i’m EU. how would you know what i play.

and you know what i’ll agree with you that legion was better than bfa if you want, both made me quit multiple times throughout its run time so what do i care.

ya 5 posts back into your post history says destro made you quit bfa 3 times also so?

i’m just saying them handling templates even badly is significantly better than them giving room for ‘muh rpg’ in any way because the game and gearing both suck big time rn

rating being a gear progression path is also dumb

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aite just to slow it down here, i said in the first post i did that templates as an idea are completely fine, but blizzard messed them up BIG compared to what they could’ve been. the person at the top says legion is the best ever cus templates which i completely disagree with.
i would however prefer something like wod/mop gearing (without trashran obviously).

agree with other points.

yeah, i mean i agree
but even with as poorly as it was done i’d still take it being done poorly again over bfa/sl

wod obviously the best option though big agree

i just cant see the current gearing/sl gearing options ever working at all unless you just don’t care and are interested in all forms of content

sorry for being toxic just extremely triggered whenever someone’s reason for bashing templates is their ‘rpg options’ which is really common around here and i recognize that’s not necessarily what you meant :>

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