I am interested in if we have heard anything on this. I’ve literally lost on everything on all my toons as far as rolls go for two weeks now lol. Thankfully my friend didn’t need some pieces and my vault was feeling generous for one of my guys.
The issue with group loot is sometimes the groups are massive and there isn’t enough to go around, or you get 4 of the same weapon dropping… Also that you can literally go entire raids without winning a single piece. With personal you at least got SOMETHING. Maybe not what you want, or what you necessarily need but it could be something at least. Maybe even just an ilvl upgrade.
Anyways, just very curious if they have said anything about it.
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I’d love a return to personal loot if it meant geared characters trying to complete their transmog collections weren’t automatically disqualified from loot rolls.
It’s a shame that LFR has been made so much worse just because some pond toads who couldn’t have killed the boss alone anyway hate seeing someone besides their minimum ilvl alt win gear.
If you help kill the boss and you can equip the item you should have an equal chance to win an item as everyone else who helped kill the boss.
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Not coming back. It created too much loot drama.
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Same here. Don’t like the loot system if it is still group loot.
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They probably view group loot as a success, so I wouldn’t count on it. If they make improvements (that are actually improvements) to the system, then that’ll be wonderful. I think that it should work like it does with Alliance Raids from FF XIV, at least in LFR. You can keep running each wing until you get a drop. Maybe they could add more drops to normal and above difficulties if they intend to keep those the way they are now or something. I don’t know, just some ideas.
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Most likely not, considering it was cheesed with group stacking and that’s why it was removed.
There was never a guarantee of anything with PL. Even bonus roll tokens weren’t a guarantee.
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Don’t think they said anything about it one way or another yet at least to the playerbase.
As we all know, GL hasn’t.
Was never personally in a group where no one got loot at all with PL enabled, that sounds made up. And at least with PL, the drops were all useable by the players’ characters in the raid, instead of several
dropping despite no Evokers in the group for one example, which i have personally seen happen several times.
edit: think it was said in another post but if they’d just change it to where the loot dropped was guaranteed useable by the people in the raid instead of my above example, that would be acceptable to keep it GL imo.
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it’s still there in M+.
in some areas of the game, PL is alive and well.
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If the choice is between free roll GL and current PL with ilvl trade restrictions I’ll take GL every time.
If they got rid of the trade restrictions I don’t really mind as much.
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Delves will give heroic raid gear.
IF I get TWW I’ll be skipping everything else.
Group content will be pretty much irrelevant for the gear level I care about.
its obvious the sentiment is against roll for loot and personal loot should be brought back, at least for LFR
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I hope not. Roll and win is the only way
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Whose sentiment? Oh the LFR only scrubs
Stick to roll to win
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The same amount of loot is dropping for the same number of people. Any given player’s luck can be different due to group comp or simply the nature of randomness, but across the entire player base the difference in loot chances between group loot and personal loot is zero sum. If you are having worse luck, someone else is necessarily having better luck.
You’re right that there isn’t enough loot to go around. But that wouldn’t be fixed by returning to personal loot. Raid bosses simply need to drop more items and there needs to be better ways to target items. The game has historically featured higher drop rates and a way to target specific items, but Blizzard has slowly peeled these things away over the years.
While this is something that did come with group loot, the chance to get weapons and trinket is also greater than it was under personal loot where raids got far too many necks, cloaks, and rings. There was also no guarantee you’d get something that was useful under personal loot and sometimes you couldn’t trade it even if you wouldn’t use it, something that’s also been resolved under group loot. It’s possible personal loot resulted in less wasted loot and that would come down to a lot of different factors, but there are offsetting conditions that provide benefits with group loot even when it’s possible to get items that aren’t useful for a given raid comp.
There has never been any evidence that personal loot had bad luck protection at all. Further, even if it did have bad luck protection, it could not guarantee any player received loot after a certain amount of bad luck. Extra items were not furnished through the personal loot system itself, the same number of items dropped as we are getting in group loot through personal loot. This means the game could never possibly guarantee someone would get an item because raid members could change around; it’s always possible someone else in your raid has gone longer since seeing an item.
It would be possible for the system to provide increased loot chances to a given player when compared to the average raider as a form of bad luck protection. Such a structure has never been confirmed to be in the game, but it would be mathematically possible. But ensuring you would see an item after X boss kills is not possible without allowing extra items to drop from the boss, which never happened under personal loot directly.
The bonus roll system did allow extra items and were a system that existed outside of personal loot. That system did have bad luck protection and it would be possible to guarantee a player gets an item via a bonus roll after so many rolls simply because the items being furnished were extra items. That system could be added onto group loot immediately without any changes if Blizzard wanted, it wasn’t tied to personal loot in any way.
Obvious to whom? Every one of these posts has people in favor of GL for LFR and PL for LFR even ignoring the people who seem to be completely trolling in their responses. There is no unanimous consensus among people who argue their points in good faith on the subject.
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That’s what I was thinking… I never went a full raid without at least one piece dropping. Sometimes it was one crappy thing but hey if it wasn’t an upgrade I could give it to someone else at least (no trade on system deemed upgrade should be removed, it does it for items I will never touch that someone else could use).
I had a run today where 3 of the same weapon dropped, no one could use it. Wasted loot. Also one dude won 2 things off one boss. It should be 1 win per boss imo to give others a chance to get something. Let’s be honest, it feels awful when one guy wins almost everything from all the bosses.
I’m cool with GL if there is more loot available, 5 pieces or whatever for 30 people to fight over is a bit rough and that goes for personal OR GL.
I do see what people are saying though for LFR, I think GL needs to go out the window for that mode regardless of anything else. I think a luck protection system would be nice, my boyfriend is really into FF14 and he said there is a system like that to help everyone get some loot so one guy doesn’t win 5 pieces in a row. Not sure if that’s true but a system like that would be nice.
So maybe no personal or group, maybe we just need the system tweaked in multiple places to make it better regardless of whichever it is.
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I just stopped pveing and focus fully on pvp. No rng or luck involved with pvp gearing
And I had multiple raids where I got nothing under personal loot. That’s just the nature of randomness. Like you acknowledged later in your response here, the issue is that Blizzard has tuned the loot system to drop too little loot to feel satisfying, but that’s unrelated to whether it’s GL or PL.
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Personal loot was awesome!
What they need to do is make personal loot personal, nobody needs to know what dropped for you! this would eliminate the drama and PM’s
Bring back personal loot in stealth mode!
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That’s a good idea actually.
To the guy above you, yeah actually. Thinking about the issues with both, I think either system can work it just needs some tweaking. I guess RNG just graced me more on personal. For once it loved me 
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I went the first 3 weeks without winning a piece from raid. Group Loot is still infinitely better though.
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