Okie dokie.
People like this are just blind. They are transferring off servers too, going after all the alliance screaming and running because they never wanted any PvP at all beyond them winning every 1v1 ever because they just know they are good at the game.
They arent, they are a joke, as is your post.
Itās not, and they know itās not. You shouldnāt have to coordinate a 40 man raid just to land at a FP out in the world. This is just another nonsensical argument the Horde uses to make it seem like massive imbalance isnāt an actual problem.
yeah i wanted to make a level one to check the /who but its europe only. it does make some sense that when everyone talks about transfering and all the big guild are doing it more people will follow
Lmao āwinnersā. Good job hiding behind a 40 man raid in open world āpvpā
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Were you suggesting that you donāt believe greater than 1% would faction change as a way of implying you do not believe offering the ability to faction change would solve any issues?
Yea, I couldnāt remember, I was living in the BGās 14 hours a day back then.
Iām just curious what you imagine that would do. With a ratio of 96/4 how many of those horde do you imagine are going to say āOh sweet, faction transfers! Now I will swap over to the alliance side!ā?
how is faction change gonna help xD
I really donāt think it is realistic to expect faction changes to ever be a thing in Classic, unless by faction change, a reroll is assumed.
Looks like theyāre actually having fun. The Alli are stuck in a tunnel because theyāre trying to bait the horde into Magniās chamber.
Itās also 10:30pm. Well beyond prime time.
Good grief, is it really that bad?
LOL, wow.
well from what i gather so far is the horde with second accounts will have to make alliance alts and feed them the materials through the neutral action house. I have no idea how long thats gonna take them but using such a round about way is no doubt gonna be a big hassle.
Thatās ridiculous. Of course there are all sorts of arguments as to the ways gameplay would be improved if there was a reasonable faction balance on every pvp server.
However, there is no reliable way of significantly changing faction balance. Players in the majority have no reason to change, and players in the minority have no reason to stay.
Only a tiny percentage of players would change factions or transfer to a server where they will be the minority.
Other players are looking out for their own gameplay, their own fun. Not yours.
Soā¦4 Horde players thinking they might change to Alliance is going to make a difference?
Given how many players are currently playing classic, it might take a million.
Thatās not going to happen.
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It may well be.
Iāve asked a few times, and am trying to find an answer for myself, but so far I cannot seem to find much.
Here are the main questions:
What are the issues people are facing, and how are they related to faction imbalance?
Do the same issues exist on:
- PVP servers with relatively even faction balance?
- PVP servers with relatively much smaller populations?
- PVE servers?
Of course I have no problems with a thought experiment consisting of 10 Horde and 1 Alliance in a head to head battle, and no delusion that the single Alliance player in this scenario will āsometimesā win.
I also understand that āifā both sides of a faction imbalanced server are able to convince a proportional percentage of their faction to assist in WPVP in a particular area, the side with larger numbers would have an advantage.
I do not understand that we have evidence that this is what is happening, and am curious as to what may lead us to believe that faction balance is something that would be worth any effort, whether considerable or slight, to pursue.
I donāt know how much of a difference that would make. Itās anecdotal, based on my experiences, and represents a relatively large number of the 20 or so people I may have met while leveling so far on a new server. Itās just interesting (to me) that there are others.
Nahā¦ they should make horde on pvp dominated servers reap what they sowed.
PvP happened on a pvp server.
Seriously, getting farmed on a pvp server because your faction is the minority is a no-brainer.
We saw many posts about the game being unplayable because of the minority faction being overwhelmed by raids and parties camping them. If we see fewer posts now, itās not because the situation has improved. Itās because many of those players left the game. Most of them will not be returning. Hardly any would be willing to start again, throwing away all the work they put into their character(s).
The fact that we saw many posts by Alliance saying this was a huge problem and none by horde would suggest that faction imbalance on most pvp servers is the issue.
Indeed, as I predicted, we are now seeing whiny threads by horde complaining that thereās not enough Alliance for them to kill, and that blizzard should do something to fix that.
Are there even any of these? Blizzard went to great lengths to balance server populations (but not factions).
Thanks to the fact that classic is toward the end of an extended period of time with no new content for pve servers, populations are going down. On Bloodsail Buccaneers, the rp server I have my level 60 on, I understand even Alliance is feeling the pinch. But I no longer play because I got tired of repeated nerfs to goldmaking that made it impossible for a casual like me to earn what I needed. Game mechanics that are designed to hurt me after giving unconditional freedom to exploit to power players and streamers totally rub me the wrong way. So Iām out of classic. Devs forced me out with changes that you may not even have noticed.
PvP is not an issue on PvE servers. If one person flags, another has to flag before they can fight.
I donāt understand what the level of āevidenceā you are demanding might even be. You are making yourself sound like an apologist who insists that unless and until Blizzard releases internal numbers that they never will, there is no problem, has never been one, and never will be one.
It wonāt make any difference. Most of the people who say they are thinking about it wonāt take the opportunity, if you can even call a move into a horrible gameplay situation an āopportunityā. It would take 500k-1 million faction changes, each of them by players who would be making a sacrifice to help other people in a game that gives no reward for that.
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Those Horde should reroll to Alliance to fix this imbalance.
If it didnāt happen on balanced servers, then this may seem like a stronger point.
Yes, and have we not seen the same reports from relatively balanced servers?
While I wouldnāt disagree with this assumption, I would point out that it is just that: an assumption.
Certainly. Faction imbalance isnāt something that suddenly happened. Almost any post you find that was published prior to launch, talking about problems that may exist in Classic mention faction imbalance.
That makes sense.
What would? And how would we know?
This still doesnāt really answer the question of what the issues are?
Other than some people being bothered on PVP servers while trying to engage in PVE activities, such as, āIām trying to pick herbs beside 10 players of the opposite faction, but they keep killing me.ā
or, āI like wpvp, but when I am out in the world by myself, and run into 10 opposite faction, they kill me. Thatās not PVP.ā
Those very much sound like issues that have nothing to do with faction balance, and everything to do with being on the wrong type of server.
So again, what issues exist on imbalanced servers that do not exist on balanced servers? We could compare some.
Then, the question of how balanced is balanced arises. Some say 60:40 is acceptable, others say thatās way too imbalanced. We donāt have hundreds or thousands or more servers to sample, and we may not have the best data nor understanding of how to filter it in meaningful ways, but we do have some servers, and some data.
Would people be happy to be playing on the servers that are reasonably balanced?
I suppose, there are just so many different people talking about different issues, but all calling it āfaction balanceā that it becomes somewhat confusing as to what people mean when they say, āthe problem.ā
Anyway, back to enjoying leveling as Alliance on a Horde dominant imbalanced, high population server.
The servers are balanced Horde just has far more skilled players.